In Season Two Supports were Ward Slaves and had to carry active items despite not wanting the stats

SaltyToplaneGoat·Apr 18, 2017·19 votes·1,546 views

And in this season we have even the mage supports rushing two TANK items...

It appears like we have kinda come full circle...

29 Comments

SalronApr 18, 20177 votes

>Redemption >Tank item

pick one

SexyBabyJesusZApr 18, 20176 votes

I hate Zyra support

I hate Zyra in general

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 18, 20176 votes

Well, that's a side effect of having CertainlyT design literally anything, even if partially it seems.

Zyra was intended for midlane, now is going rampant on support. Yasuo was supposed to be a "melee adc" with the windwall being a tool to compete on bot, but instead runs around in mid. Or lets all take a moment to remember his "super innovative" Mordekaiser rework...

PoskeApr 18, 20173 votes

I reached challenger playing Yasuo AD carry

Nothing wrong with it just requires lifesteal quints

ChaddyFantomeApr 18, 20171 votes

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I reached challenger playing Yasuo AD carry

Nothing wrong with it just requires lifesteal quints

what a beast.

OleandervineApr 18, 20175 votes

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Well, that's a side effect of having CertainlyT design literally anything, even if partially it seems.

Zyra was intended for midlane, now is going rampant on support. Yasuo was supposed to be a "melee adc" with the windwall being a tool to compete on bot, but instead runs around in mid. Or lets all take a moment to remember his "super innovative" Mordekaiser rework...

Zyra's been a support for almost 4 years now. This is nothing new.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 18, 20179 votes

She was originally a midlane mage tho.

KoggyStyleApr 19, 20171 votes

he did gnar too right?

yay nibbersApr 19, 20171 votes

Except Yasuo was always meant to go mid. Where on Earth did you get the idea that he was meant to be a botlane ADC?

Also, what about Thresh and new Warwick? Those are both CertainlyT works and everyone thinks they're great.

Prestige AkaIiApr 18, 20173 votes

Better than Lux support.

I personally don't like either but Zyra at least has more utility and doesn't always build full AP. I've actually seen a Zyra support build item 3107 and/or item 3190 .

The only Lux "supports" I've seen start item 1056 , go full AP and have the mindset "I'll carry so my ADC is useless 20 - 30 minutes into the game"

Hasn't happened often, but when it does happen, ugh.

OleandervineApr 18, 20175 votes

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Better than support.

I personally don't like either but Zyra at least has more utility and doesn't always build full AP. I've actually seen a Zyra support build and/or .

The only Lux "supports" I've seen start , go full AP and have the mindset "I'll carry so my ADC is useless 20 - 30 minutes into the game"

Hasn't happened often, but when it does happen, ugh.

The people you play Lux support with are stupid then. Lux is an incredibly viable support, and she's got a ton of utility, as well as longer range and more poke than Zyra. Just because someone builds her stupidly doesn't make her bad. She actually utilizes Redemption a helluva lot better than Zyra on principle that she actually has a shield in her kit.

It Hertz When IPApr 18, 20171 votes

This. I build her (as support) around her shield and CC.

ErockandrollApr 18, 20171 votes

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Better than support.

I personally don't like either but Zyra at least has more utility and doesn't always build full AP. I've actually seen a Zyra support build and/or .

The only Lux "supports" I've seen start , go full AP and have the mindset "I'll carry so my ADC is useless 20 - 30 minutes into the game"

Hasn't happened often, but when it does happen, ugh.

The Likes of Zyra building classical support items, kinda reminds me of the older definition of mage support.

They'd have some poke, though never at APC levels. Really they were mages who had both CC and Damage, and when played in the support role, they forgo the damage, but had all the CC. And as a result, served as disruptors and created picks. (Think Morgana with her 2+ second snare.)

Kinda reminds me how the Malz support parried that in the LCS. He did too much damage while locking his opponents up with his ult. So they nerfed him, but the LCS teams still found use in his Ult lock up, while building him as a classical support not for damage.

LadyRenlyApr 18, 20171 votes

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Better than support.

I personally don't like either but Zyra at least has more utility and doesn't always build full AP. I've actually seen a Zyra support build and/or .

The only Lux "supports" I've seen start , go full AP and have the mindset "I'll carry so my ADC is useless 20 - 30 minutes into the game"

Hasn't happened often, but when it does happen, ugh.

most luxes ive got go spellthiefs and become a nightmare with the likes of jhin.

dunder killApr 18, 20175 votes

item 3107 and item 3190 are just as much "tank items" as item 3152 and item 3026

Just because an item has HP on it doesnt make it a "tank item".

item 3107 has as much, or less HP than item 2045 item 3152 item 3027 item 3748 item 3022 item 3030 item 3071 item 3053

Those are not "tank items"

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 18, 20171 votes

How many HP items do I build when I am ADC?

And how many do I build when I am a burst mage?

And how many as assassin?

The number of tank stats supports pile up with these items is enough to qualifiy these with with tank lable.

Legacy HydralphaApr 18, 20171 votes

ADCs tend not to build health items at all. Unless you're Lucian or MissFortune in that case they can get item 3071 .

Mages (yes, even burst mages) can build item 3151 , item 3116 , and item 3152 .

Assassins also buy item 3071 .

According to your analogy, enough items with HP will make someone a tank.

Anyways, you are comparing the UTILITY class to the DAMAGE-DEALING classes. It's like comparing apples and oranges, but the apples heal people and the oranges blow people up.

OurLestradeApr 18, 20173 votes

All the way back to having three mandatory items you need to grab not including a moneymaking support item and boots :P

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 18, 20171 votes

Can I at least have stacking GP5 items back then? I mena, if we already go back in time we might as well bring HoG back...

OurLestradeApr 18, 20171 votes

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Can I at least have stacking GP5 items back then? I mena, if we already go back in time we might as well bring HoG back...

I wonder if there'll be a day when I can use my GP5 quints again? :P

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 18, 20173 votes

Ah yes, I have some as well... even with matching gp5 yellows. Maybe I should try them again? xD

KoggyStyleApr 19, 20171 votes

make sure n grab your armor reds bro!

NidkenApr 19, 20172 votes

inb4 : "we've introduced a new item slot for all champions, the redemption slot..."

DokkaebiApr 18, 20171 votes

Only two? lul

Luxs DestinyApr 18, 20171 votes

? Explain? I've been away from the game for a few days.

TotalJerkApr 19, 20171 votes

had to carry active items despite not wanting the stats

Wait, we don't do that anymore? I don't want health regen on my Soraka nor heal power on my Thresh, but I still have to buy item 3107 on both of them.

WhiperSnapersApr 19, 20171 votes

how could you turn down health regen on soraka? she uses it like its mana

(I see your point, just maybe pick a different healer)

TotalJerkApr 19, 20171 votes

Bonus health/mana regen scales off base stats. Soraka has the lowest base HP regen in the game BY FAR, making itemizing health regen on her complete garbage.

WhiperSnapersApr 20, 20171 votes

Sorry, I didnt mean to imply that soraka itemizes for health regen. I was just saying that out of the healer supports that you could have used in your example, you chose the one that spends its own health. It doesnt really matter how terribly the stat scales with the champion when you consider that a soraka with the bonus gains health slightly faster than the one without it and thus spends less time below 5% HP which leads to a higher uptime on her heal. While it may only be a fraction of a second faster, in this game, that could make a big difference.

The point that I'm trying to make here is that while it may not be a super impactful stat for the squishy healers, if it happens to be on an item that they buy anyway, she would be the last of the squishy healers to complain about it.