I am so beyond sick of these 1-sided stomp fests

Barkley··91 votes·4,904 views

Granted, it's better than it was in preseason. That can't be denied.

But it's still a regular occurrence to end a game something like 40-4 and there was legitimately never anything my team could do.

One kill determines a lane. Maybe even more than that if the person is competent enough to roam and help snowball other lanes.

The game is entirely decided on whether or not you get paired with people that know how to play safe, or people who wanna do nothing but fight all game long.

If you get a team that doesn't know when or how to chill, may god have mercy on your soul.

Many people have realized that playing safe and scaling is key.

But there are more than enough people out there who just wanna see champion kill champion, and it's just a feed fest snowball from hell - and in those games I have literally zero agency.

All I can do is watch my teams death count (or kill count, depending) stack up like a goddamn gas pump, and hit surrender every time it's available or wait til the victory screen comes up. I've got nothing to do with it, most times. Just along for the ride.

29-6, "we should contest dragon!"

32-7, "their adc briefly showed on the minimap, quick chase him down!"

Surrender fails.

38-7, "the enemy support is warding here, let's get him!"

And it just doesn't stop. It just gets worse, and worse, and worse. My team tries desperately to fight their way back into the game, and in doing so just gets mauled. Just obliterated. That, or were the ones obliterating. Either way, it's not fun. It's not satisfying.

Because there is no coming back right now. You play safe to stay even, or you play safe to gain small advantages, and you wait til late game when one or two fight decides the whole game - the better scaling team wins.

And I'm fine with that, tbh. Late game fights are fun. They're skillful. They give a sense of agency. I feel like I matter. What I'm NOT fine with is the 25 minutes of walking on eggshells it takes to get there.

If you act before that and fail, congratulations you just kicked the snowball down the hill. Good luck. You're going to lose, and it's all your fault because you made ONE mistake.

But it doesn't even have to be you. It could be any of your 4 team mates, or any combination of the 5 players on your team.

One bad play, and the game just goes to shit because everyone starts to scramble. Everyone panics, because it's not exactly hidden knowledge what the state of the game is right now. Everyone knows. We all know.

We all know what comes next. The 20 minute slaughter fest with no chance of redemption outside of some major screw up. Some lucky, fortunate mistake. That's the only hope there is once the ball gets rolling.

There's no strategic planning to edge back into the game. There's no trading objectives. There's no covering your weaknesses, there's none of that. You're just at the mercy of the enemy and whether or not they play cleanly from that point forward. Whether or not they know how to close a game.

If they do? It's over. Gg.

Now if you just would have left that cannon minion alone, this never would have happened.

Thank god Stardew valley is coming out with multiplayer soon.

Thank god I get paid next week and I can pick up monster Hunter world.

Because fuck this game as it stands right now. Been playing since season 1 and I really, truly think I'm on to greener pastures. I just can't do it anymore. I don't even enjoy it.

97 Comments

TitanAnteus29 votes

40-4 doesn't just mean one lane stomped. It means you were all objectively worse players than the opponent. It used to happen season 4 and earlier too.

karolmo11 votes

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40-4 doesn't just mean one lane stomped. It means you were all objectively worse players than the opponent. It used to happen season 4 and earlier too.

40-4 can happen if the midlaner stomps and knows how to roam. Because if bot is even and a 3-0 zed comes and dives you, you're behind now.

Pika Fox4 votes

Then you play around that possibility and ward, or play back and safer. Your mid should also play around this, making sure zed has less chances to roam and press his advantage by pressing wave out so zed cant freely roam, or at least pull jungler mid while zed is roaming.

AleksaTeemo3 votes

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Then you play around that possibility and ward, or play back and safer. Your mid should also play around this, making sure zed has less chances to roam and press his advantage by pressing wave out so zed cant freely roam, or at least pull jungler mid while zed is roaming.

You think midlaners know that they should shove wave in?Also if your midlaner and toplaner fall behind YOU HAVE to play agreesive to snowball and and try win the game.

Pika Fox6 votes

You need to make more risky plays, sure, but that doesnt mean you need to play stupidly, especially if their mid is an assassin. You can still play defensively and win, outscaling the assassin. The longer the game goes on, the better it is for the losing team. It doesnt matter how much of a kill and gold lead you have when both teams are at 5-6 items.

Even if the assassin is 3-0, their advantage is moot come mid-late game with proper grouping.

AleksaTeemo7 votes

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You need to make more risky plays, sure, but that doesnt mean you need to play stupidly, especially if their mid is an assassin. You can still play defensively and win, outscaling the assassin. The longer the game goes on, the better it is for the losing team. It doesnt matter how much of a kill and gold lead you have when both teams are at 5-6 items.

Even if the assassin is 3-0, their advantage is moot come mid-late game with proper grouping.

Proper grouping,yeah thats what makes your entire point invalid.There is no proper grouping in solo Q and your midlaner is gonna afk when enemy assasin keeps roaming and kills your toplaner even when you ping him.

Pika Fox5 votes

Then you lose, and your team deserved it for playing like garbage. What do you want me to say? Its a team game, your team dun fucked up. Solo Queue isnt an excuse for poor play.

DestroyerDa0072 votes

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Then you lose, and your team deserved it for playing like garbage.

This is whats wrong with the community and has been since day 1. "if u lost ur bad HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA". If i play a game and 4 people afk then by your logic its my fault. If top and mid feed because they play with 2000k ping then of course its my fault. You can be a good support get ur adc to 6-0 but if he then decides to run up to 5 of the enemy and say hi .... then by ur logic I deserved to win. Because my your logic i was clearly controlling the adc's movement.

Pika Fox2 votes

LoL is a team game, If your team plays like garbage or has 4 afk, you deserved the loss. In what world do you think you should ever win a team game with 4 afks?

DestroyerDa0073 votes

So basically you just said thats its my fault for 4 afks.... lol. The logic is Bloody insane. Did i ever say win with 4 afks? no. The fact is that you can't blame players for being bad if their team decides, "oh mom put dinner on the table oh boy better go afk". Thats like saying haha your mum died of cancer, did u think she was gonna live? There shouldnt be a system where i am punished simply for queing for a game. Which is what happens often. Can you win a 4v5, sure if the stars align. Can you win a 1v5, no.

Pika Fox2 votes

LoL is a team game. You dont matter and never will, what matters is your TEAM.

If your TEAM as a collective play poorly, you lose. It doesnt matter how well you did, if you lost it was deserving because YOU didnt overcome whatever pitfalls your team had and whatever advantages the enemy had.

If you have 4 AFKs, yes, you deserved that loss because in no world should you be 1v5ing the enemy team. If your ADC decides to play like a bronze 5 master for whatever reason mid teamfight, then yes, you deserved to lose that teamfight when the enemy team doesnt decide to throw.

The only time you ever matter in a discussion of gameplay is after you have played a statistically significant number of games.

DestroyerDa0071 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RpUqxpGa,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-26T16:35:40.217+0000)

This is why youll always be boosted garbage

The only time you ever matter in a discussion of gameplay is after you have played a statistically significant number of games.

Alrighty where to start firstly imma make an assumption. I assume that you have been playing this game a while probably around s1 to s3 area. I started in late s2 so i have literally thousands of games like you, so lets not get into the "you dont have the statistical number of games completed to make these comments".

Secondly what you don't seem to understand is what im saying so ill make it really easy in case I'm high or something.

Player 1: joins lobby Player 2-5: no comments: Player 1: Champ bans?, Champ Picks?, Counter Picks?, Early Strategy?. (nothing) -game starts- Player 1: alright Lets do this

  • First 1-13 mins of the game players 2-5 havent moved from spawn -
  • Enemy Team realizing this just pushing Mid - PLayer 1 tries but 1v5 is impossible - -game loss-

In your logic the fact that I joined that game and instantly lost because my team just decided to afkis my fault is absurd. Imagine Kids who are diagnosed with cancer pre 15 years old. 100,000 kids who are 15 and below die each year. If one of the kids die, you are there basically saying Haha lol, git gud (analogy). Despite that there was nothing the kid could do.

The fact is things like this Happen (place the analogy inside Leagues pls). But saying its the Player 1 fault for losing is ridiculous. You are not argueing "hey people lose sometimes, and thats ok". You are saying people deserve for queing into people who are instantly afk. Thats like if ur comp explodes and u lose your promos to plat. Then its your fault should have not used the computer.

Pika Fox3 votes

This is the point youre not getting.

LoL is not a single player game. LoL is a team game. Everyone on the team takes responsibility for the outcome of said team.

Yes, if you get 4 afks, it sucks, but you deserved that loss as a team. This is why you play hundreds of games to get a real sense of your skill level, because games like this no longer become statistically significant.

Austin Covello3 votes

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Then you play around that possibility and ward

With what wards, exactly? They got rid of sightstone, so Support needs to "complete their quest" to ward properly. That's assuming the support bothers to or can complete his/her item at all. Can the ADC buy wards to make that up? Nope. We got rid of green wards in Season 6, because TRINKET! (Which, BTW doesn't last nearly as long as a green ward did.) Oh, you have one of those CONTROL wards, which is completely visible and can only be placed in one location at a time. And speaking of the trinket, I'm supposed to take that blue POS. You know, the one whose visibility radius is as big as a Caitlyn trap, visible, and only has one HP.

Pika Fox1 votes

You literally get 2 free trinket wards and EVERYONE SHOULD BUY CONTROL WARDS ALWAYS.

Austin Covello3 votes

Which don't both come online at once and have a 3 minute cooldown between uses (no way in hell you can have 3 of them up at once unless you're a support) and of course.

Pika Fox1 votes

Let me know when people start roaming at the 2 minute mark.

PB4UAME3 votes

Jungler ganks at level 2 can happen just before the two minute mark top lane.

If they didn't come then, you have until 2:30 to prepare for them ganking with double buffs, and level 3 to your level 2. Depending on jungler, all can be ganking top with double buff and level three before the 3 minute mark rolls around.

Try warding all the gank paths top before 3:00 minutes, and prepare for two different gank windows with any trinket. I fucking dare you.

Sometimes the mid will even roam up with the jungler at this point, so yes, I absolute do see roaming from midlaners just after or right around the 2 minute mark, and I see a gank EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER, IN TOP LANE BEFORE 3:00

Pika Fox2 votes

You have a ward at level 2. You can use it, or not push if you suspect the jungler will be rotating top for first gank.

Try playing around ganks instead of blindly pushing. I fucking dare you to play better.

If mid is roaming pre level 6, your mid is going to ping, get free farm, and their mid wont have their entire reason for going mid (fast 6) to abuse top.

MeBuffULongTime3 votes

I agree with your argument but I think what OP is trying to argue with this exaggeration is that the chances to come back from an early loss or bad play(s) get's exponentially harder as the game progresses.

TitanAnteus1 votes

Which is fine? Do you want games to go for like 50 minutes?

If you're on the opposite side of that, do you not want to be rewarded for playing well?

Games still last around 26-34 minutes average.

Austin Covello2 votes

50 minutes. You know why? More XP. Today I had a Twisted Treeline game that went > 45 minutes where we somehow managed to come back off of it. Without FWOD or any kind of XP boost, I got 302XP. On Twisted Treeline. That's what you call one hell of a payday. Riot wants these games shorter so you'll get less XP per game and it takes longer to level up your account. This means less of their lootboxes and less BP. Meaning you'll want to spend money on RP to get XP boosts or purchase the champions directly.

So if you're stomping hard, throw a bit. Cede a tower or two. Kill Herald and don't take the buff. Give away dragon for free. Drag the game out. You'll earn more XP that way and have more fun doing it. It's that simple.

Pumping Iron4 votes

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40-4 doesn't just mean one lane stomped. It means you were all objectively worse players than the opponent. It used to happen season 4 and earlier too.

now happens every game

AninLegions7771 votes

Lool 40-4 never happened in S4-

Madsin2513 votes

I lost all my respect for this game tbh.

1-sided stomps are irrelevant at this point.

You just don't have fun period it's the same shit every game.

Corrupt Bliss5 votes

I have fun.

I do not have one-sided stomps.

I do not see 'the same shit every game'.

AMA.

Madsin258 votes

Yes you do see the same shit lmfao.

Get through the lane phase watching for the jgler like a hawk because constant ganks are a thing now for some reason.

Teamfights start to happen. People drop like a rock with no real depth or gameplay and then you proceed to knock down paper towers for the victory.

Repeat.

Austin Covello2 votes

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Teamfights start to happen. People drop like a rock with no real depth or gameplay and then you proceed to knock down paper towers for the victory.

Or the rift herald does it for you.

Corrupt Bliss1 votes

Ganks being 'a thing now for some reason' is not bad. Junglers deserve more impact other than "I'm going to farm my feral flare until I'm level 16 and decide to fight". It's mostly just you disliking junglers and having to actually be attentive and not over-extend.

Team fights are apart of the the goddamn game? How could you not enjoy this part? I love team fighting. I play on a five man team once a week, and we scrim throughout the weekdays. It's really fun to have to put together cohesive team compositions, play our lane phases well, and then fight strategic team fights where we have to keep track of summoners, what ultimates have been used, who is targeting who, etc.

The game is a lot more than 'teamfights start happen... and then you proceed to knock down paper towers for the victory'. My favorite games are come-back games where there is an extreme amount of effort exerted by both sides.

League of Legends is the ONLY game I have consistently played over the last 8 years. I've tried so many games, I've played a lot of MMORPGs and out of them all, League of Legends is the only one I've played on a weekly basis, constantly. If it was a 'repeat' syndrome I'd have quit years ago. League of Legends is NOT a repeat game.

Echostormxx1 votes

When a jungler can gank 1 lane 4 times in 7 minutes, it's a bit rediculous don't you think? I mean I've had games where I've played top where the jungler and top laner are duoed and they gank me level 2, I'm halfway up lane but they can dive me and I die. Then they just proceed to snowball to the point to which there is no way to win vs them. At this point I'm worth no gold, have no items, hardly any farm... may as well afk and go get a muffin like hashinshin, because I'd still be more useful than if I was constantly getting tower doven by kha and garen without help from my own jungler. Riot needs to fix the clear times. Jungler impact is fine, but junglers have too much influence on the outcome of the game. Imo it's dumb.

Corrupt Bliss2 votes

I can agree that either slower clear times or smaller re-spawn timers on the jungle could be beneficial.

In the ideal situation, if a jungler is camping one specific lane, your jungler is either counter-ganking or producing results elsewhere. I just think it's silly for people to not ward, not pay attention to lane priority, and then complain that "omg jungler ganked me twice even though I just tp'd back to lane 4 seconds after dying omg OP gg afk I go eat muffin now." There is so much that can be done about junglers. Deep wards, paying attention to wave management, position of your jungler vs theirs, etc, can all benefit players substantially, and are all things majority of players do NOT do.

saltran3 votes

I mean, according to OPGG you don't even play the game.

So: you are playing with other account or you stopped playing but you keep circlejerking about how awful are the games you are not even playing.

Madsin257 votes

What are you even saying?

How about you try and disprove me with more than "you don't have games played". I have multiple accounts.

I have thousands of hours put into this game on this account alone.

Marshbouy10 votes

I'm tired of people in my games spamming "FF@15" 5 minutes into a game because the score is 2-0. The games over when it's fucking over. Getting tilted and throwing away victory because "the meta is too fast" is bullshit.

Madsin255 votes

Ok true but that's besides the point.

No matter if its 10-0, 0-10, 5-5, 2-7 7-2 people are exploding and it's not fun.

MeBuffULongTime5 votes

Yeah...dmg creep is definitely a thing. I miss the slower games :-/

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd6 votes

Feel u on that. Hopefully I can get my sytem upgrades so I can get PUB G/ Worst part of that Riot isnt even acknowledging that the game is just weird rn

Barkley8 votes

It's not even that they're not acknowledging it. It's that it seems as if they're openly embracing it.

Dead flag blues6 votes

ARAM is basically the same right now. One-sided game every single game, enemy has 2 adcs, first ace = first 2 towers gone. Extra-fun.

Mast3rShake1 votes

the game isnt balanced around ARAM

it is always a broken mode based on who has the better team comp

T4underbolt6 votes

You can thank riot for making it even more of a stomp since baron buff is even stronger and makes it impossible to defend.

Nea1045 votes

Flawed matchmaking + snowballing out of control. You basically can't have a single balanced game, and they're doing nothing about it (it's just getting worse since last year).

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

The closest game i've played in almost a year happened today because our 5/1 riven rage quit. We almost won the 4v5. Sad that a RQ riven provided what was needed for an evenly matched game.

BlackEyesBlue3 votes

Just last night I had a situation...

Super one sided game. All of our inhibitors are dead; and there's 4 super minions in our base. My WHOLE TEAM runs down to Elder dragon... gets wiped, start ping spamming me and begging for reports in all chat, cause I'm doing nothing...

THERE WERE SUPER MINIONS HITTING OUR NEXUS TOWERS! What's the counter play to getting a team like that? This was just the end of the game! Lost track of how many times the chased into a jg ambush even as I pinged danger to them...

Crede7777 votes

Stupid team aside, it's often better to just follow a bad call as 5 than get split up and wipe.

Ideally, your team would listen to you and make the right call, but league is usually less than ideal.

Wąr3 votes

Oh wow I just made this same post. No kidding I completely agree. I think it's a matchmaking problem.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Tfw late game teamfights are considered skillful because the team with the better late game champs just win, but winning early game by playing better and snowballing isnt considered skilful. Well then.. Ok.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Eune player here, it’s a lot worse here plus half of the people speak broken English and/or alien languages, making full team communication pretty rare

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