Laning against Ziggs feels like a chore.

koshkyra·Jul 27, 2017·3 votes·763 views

Im not saying Ziggs is op- because he isnt, i actually feel he is a little weak atm.

But laning against Ziggs is actual effing torture.

Literally the entire laning phase is you dodging bombs as he sits a mile away where you cant get anywhere near him and cant do anything to him.

Can i dodge them? Yes. No problem.

Is it annoying that i have to dodge a bomb every 4 seconds? Yes. Definently.

Is it boring that i can never trade with ziggs (as he sits like a full lane away) yet he constantly pokes me? Yes, and also a bit annoying.

Nothing is fun or interactive about this laning phase. Its simply me trying to farm as i have to sidestep bombs every 3-5 seconds (which results in me losing half the wave often) while Ziggs clears the full wave in about 0.1 seconds with his E>W.

Im not saying Ziggs needs buffs or nerfs. I just wish laning against him was enjoyable.

6 Comments

Brutalitops01Jul 27, 20171 votes

Pick someone who outranges him ( Xerath , Lux ), someone who can 1-shot him ( Fizz , Talon , pretty much any assassin) or someone who can outscale him ( Ryze , Vladimir ) and laning against him may be a chore with Ryze (Vlad less so because you just drain tank his bombs and give 0 fucks), but you can outpush him early and then dominate him late, especially if he aims his bombs onto you. You have your E stacked, then when he throws a bomb at you, you Q the wave to bounce the attack around and a shield and movement speed. If you can't dodge, the shield should block the damage. As for the rest, Xerath/Lux just ignore him because he's far away but you can hit him too and Fizz/Talon/Assassins, sure they have a tough early lane phase if they don't 1-shot him, but they can pretty easily get onto him and kill him.

koshkyraJul 27, 20171 votes

I often play Lux into ziggs, and the match i am mainly referencing i was playing Lux into ziggs.

Lux doesnt outrange ziggs. It is impossible to trade back onto him, i am pretty sure he is the highest ranged mage in the game.

Neither does Xerath. Ziggs Q outranges his entire basic kit and he wins the ult range matchup as well.

Assassins dont work in the laning phase either because, like i said, Ziggs sits 3 miles away and constantly annoys you while clearing the entire wave with two abilities from another mile away.

You need to get near him for assassins, but you just cant.

As for scaling champions, i am specifically talking about the laning phase, not the entire game.

Thank you for putting time into your comment.

Its All SkillzzJul 27, 20171 votes

id rather lane vs ziggs than Xerath he is even more annoying and spams spells then gets mana back from AAin minions meanwhile your under half hp an un able to do anything cause his bitch ass took barrier.

koshkyraJul 27, 20171 votes

I hate Xerath more in general, but in the laning phase i hate Ziggs more.

Xeraths Q actually has a cooldown. Ziggs i cant say.

BlackFluxJul 27, 20171 votes

Poke champions like Xerath Ziggs even Azir can be annoying...my complaint is if the bomb doesn't hit anything it can go off on it's own and have AOE damage,i get WHY but that just makes them harder to dodge if your laner is poking from turret. specially annoying when they do like 400 damage

koshkyraJul 27, 20171 votes

Dont even get me f*cking started on Azir and Xerath.

It amazes me how these three assho- ahem, gentlemen dont run oom after 20 seconds of the laning phase.

Azir literally facerolls on me the second i walk within a caitlyn ult of him to farm. Uses everything on me besides his dash because obviously there isnt going to be a way for me to do something about it and poke him back.

Xerath Q is the worst hitbox i have ever seen. I will see a legitimate gap between me and the lines that mark the edges and still take 400+ damage from the level 7 xerath whos probably got a huge "i just poked you and you cant do anything about it" grin on their face.

His W is about as dodgeable as an Annie ult and his E is basically invisible.

I have so much more to rant about but i dont want to kill you so ill stop here.