Can you revert tryndamere E cd buff?

Tychusfindlay918·Jul 18, 2018·71 votes·17,217 views

The rate at which he can spam E at max rank and max cdr is braindead, and is in fact so fucking stupid that one of his best builds is full AP with nashors tooth.

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RexxieeJul 18, 201823 votes

Gotta agree he did not need any buffs, now he gets his E at like 3s CD at lvl 9 then he autos once and its back up, thats why the degenerate AP trynd builds are back.

WimbledofyJul 18, 20182 votes

at level 9 you most likely won't have 45% cdr yet, which is when E becomes a 3.8s cooldown.

AlienPrimateJul 19, 20184 votes

It is rather easy to get 45% cdr with the AP build. That is the only reason to go the AP build.

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CppLJul 18, 201822 votes

They just removing any counterplay for cancer champs.First tryndamere ,now nasus...

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20189 votes

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They just removing any counterplay for cancer champs.First tryndamere ,now nasus...

Since when was nasus cancer in this season? He has been underrated for the past season and when he gets slight buffs people start complaining about him. Nasus's counterplay is that he can be kited easily. He only had buffs for more lifesteal in lane and that was only a 2% buff of lifesteal at level 1.

FridgeDJul 18, 201812 votes

nasus is a braindead stat stick, which noone wants to play with or against. just make a list of all his free stats and stat debuffs! no skill required at all. i rather have a malz vs zoe lane (i hate them both) in toplane, before i want a meta with nasus. we are all lucky, that statsticks counter are meta atm. if you want to play a cool dog, play WW.

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20182 votes

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nasus is a braindead stat stick, which noone wants to play with or against. just make a list of all his free stats and stat debuffs! no skill required at all. i rather have a malz vs zoe lane (i hate them both) in toplane, before i want a meta with nasus. we are all lucky, that statsticks counter are meta atm. if you want to play a cool dog, play WW.

Nasus is not a complete stat stick like aatrox. If so then why didn't riot rework him yet? That is a myth. More stacks does not equate to having a higher chance of winning. win rate and stacks Is not linear and in fact by the time the game extends past 30-40 minutes he actually is less useful. He's mostly for splitpushing, but in teamfights any team whos not dumb will just pin nasus down and kill him no matter how many stacks he has because of his immobility.

FridgeDJul 18, 201810 votes

nasus is THE fcking stat stick! old aatrox atleast had 2 "skillshots" and required to switch between stances. how much fun it is to lose all your ms and as to a point and click spell? you bought armor? too bad, lose half (!!!) of it when you stand in his gigantic e! oh, you want to move out? try it with wither on you! free lifesteal, free hp, free armor, free mr: not a stack stick? good joke!

the fact that this walking design fault can be kited, doesnt make it any less shitty design.

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20181 votes

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nasus is THE fcking stat stick! old aatrox atleast had 2 "skillshots" and required to switch between stances. how much fun it is to lose all your ms and as to a point and click spell? you bought armor? too bad, lose half (!!!) of it when you stand in his gigantic e! oh, you want to move out? try it with wither on you! free lifesteal, free hp, free armor, free mr: not a stack stick? good joke!

the fact that this walking design fault can be kited, doesnt make it any less shitty design.

You are exaggerating his kit from a one-sided perspective. Nasus has no early laning priority or dominance. why dont you mention that?.You just don't know how to kite or peel . If a team is not blind that theres a nasus in the enemy team, they can just focus and pin him down with cc and kill him. The armor and stacks dont matter when that happens. Marksmen scale the hardest and if the team peels for the marksmen properly, nasus wont stand a chance in a fight. The fact that he has not been reworked like aatrox because of his " complete stat check kit " that does not have any mobility or early game damage whatsoever and that he has had recent buffs proves that "stat check nasus" is a myth.

FridgeDJul 18, 20187 votes

you comments are becoming more and more ignorant! having duels completly decided by the question who has more stats, is the definition of a stack stick! cmon nasus main, tell me about 1 ability that a can dodge in a 1vs1 against nasus! no? because there is none! you state his weakness of getting kited as a counterplay option. thats total BS! when i play vs a darius, i can dodge his e and q and go for short trades. even in lategame fights vs a jax, i can wait out his e and then fight him. how long does your w last and whats its cooldown when maxed? do you get the idea or is it still too hard for a nasus main in gold? having a champ cced and focused down by a whole team, is legit the counter to EVERY champ! fights vs a nasus are completly decided by stats, no skill involved by both sides. i am stronger then nasus? he loses. he is stronger? he wins. that is the definition of stack stick! btw i knew you are a gold nasus main before i checked your op.gg. the way you defended this garbage left no other option. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20182 votes

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you comments are becoming more and more ignorant! having duels completly decided by the question who has more stats, is the definition of a stack stick! cmon nasus main, tell me about 1 ability that a can dodge in a 1vs1 against nasus! no? because there is none! you state his weakness of getting kited as a counterplay option. thats total BS! when i play vs a darius, i can dodge his e and q and go for short trades. even in lategame fights vs a jax, i can wait out his e and then fight him. how long does your w last and whats its cooldown when maxed? do you get the idea or is it still too hard for a nasus main in gold? having a champ cced and focused down by a whole team, is legit the counter to EVERY champ! fights vs a nasus are completly decided by stats, no skill involved by both sides. i am stronger then nasus? he loses. he is stronger? he wins. that is the definition of stack stick! btw i knew you are a gold nasus main before i checked your op.gg. the way you defended this garbage left no other option. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

"TLDR" Ignorant.? Who is the actual one ignorant and doesn't play nasus but still thinks he knows how nasus works better than someone who does? But as a last resort to defend my claim since you dont believe me then you should read what the nasus one tricks believe. https://www.reddit.com/r/nasusmains/comments/8v1cta/stacking_is_not_only_just_a_non_viable_strat/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nasusmains/comments/8x28i6/from_a_person_who_doesnt_play_nasus_why_the_hell/ Now that you know, who is the real one ignorant?

FridgeDJul 18, 20185 votes

pls already answer my question. which ability on your stat stick champion can be dodged or outplayed?

and no, i wont read a whiny article from a whiny guy realizing that his champions core identity does not work in this meta.

it should not work at all.

1 final comment before i exit this conversation: why nasus recieved only simple stat buff/nerfs in the past? could it be, that there are NO MECHANICS/SKILL in this champ at all?

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20181 votes

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pls already answer my question. which ability on your stat stick champion can be dodged or outplayed?

and no, i wont read a whiny article from a whiny guy realizing that his champions core identity does not work in this meta.

it should not work at all.

1 final comment before i exit this conversation: why nasus recieved only simple stat buff/nerfs in the past? could it be, that there are NO MECHANICS/SKILL in this champ at all?

Enough said. Everything I showed to you from the nasus subreddit proved your claims all wrong.I dont even understand what you are saying.Now all you are doing is ranting like someone whos more inexperienced than me.You dont want to read what the nasus subreddit believes some of which are high-elo and whatever I say, you are not willing to agree with me anyways since you think Im inexperienced. Well then theres no point if you want me to answer your questions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nasusmains/comments/8x28i6/from_a_person_who_doesnt_play_nasus_why_the_hell/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nasusmains/comments/8v1cta/stacking_is_not_only_just_a_non_viable_strat/ The answer is quite obvious, but since you dont want to know what other nasus mains believe then I cant help it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Z3SleeperJul 18, 20186 votes

Not strong =/= not a statstick.

It just means he's a stattwig.

A little square is the same shape as a big square.

NineTailedMysticJul 19, 20182 votes

Nasus has no early laning priority or dominance.

Not like they've been continually buffing him.

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 19, 20181 votes

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Not like they've been continually buffing him.

Get your facts right. The last time he was changed was almost exactly a year ago other than the base stat changes when season 8 came out. The only buff that recently came and people like to exaggerate so much is the 2% increase of lifesteal at level 1. Definitely so much of a buff that will make a huge difference only because the patch notes shows relevance of nasus in the game since most of you want him useless and irrelevant. Leave the innocent dog alone

NineTailedMysticJul 19, 20182 votes

Did I ever specifically refer to a timeline of Nasus buffs? If you look through his change history, he has gotten nothing but buffs since patch 4.1.

And personally I think his free lifesteal is already uninteractive enough.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20182 votes

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Did I ever specifically refer to a timeline of Nasus buffs? If you look through his change history, he has gotten nothing but buffs since patch 4.1.

And personally I think his free lifesteal is already uninteractive enough.

24% lifesteal is a tad extreme in my opinion.

Z3SleeperJul 18, 20184 votes

Yeah no gotta agree with the other guy, Nasus is literally a walking statstick. His entire mechanic revolves around improving his statchecking potential. His only move that has any semblance of non-statchecking is his E but hardly cuz it's damn near instant and unavoidable.

So either you outstat Nasus, or you kite him.

rayzoJul 18, 20182 votes

nasus is insanely easy to kite late game, if he gets onto you he should be able to kill you no matter what.

FridgeDJul 18, 20183 votes

you should be able to outplay every champ, even in 1vs1 lategame situation. give me 1 champion that outplays nasus mid to lategame, other then fiora. why does every lowelo nasus player think, that nasus should win every fight in melee range by default? btw: Win Ratio 9% Nasus's Commanders i just put this here. think about it.

Jon 678910Jul 18, 20182 votes

you should be able to outplay every champ, even in 1vs1 lategame situation

What's to say you shouldn't be able to outplay everyone early game then? While you're at it, why don't you give me 1 fighter who can't take a nasus on early?

The champ was made to be bad early and scale off stacks. He's easy enough to kite, especially if your team has CC that isn't reduced by tenacity.

I don't think that he's a good concept by any means, but he's been trash this entire season. Being strong late means nothing if most games never reach late game. There are plenty of champions who can 1 v 1 other champs without the ability to outplay them.

Nasus's Commanders

Is this his club name or the name of his division? If it's the latter, it's not really like he has any influence over that.

FridgeDJul 18, 20181 votes

"What's to say you shouldn't be able to outplay everyone early game then? While you're at it, why don't you give me 1 fighter who can't take a nasus on early?" thats my point: nasus is a shitty designed stat stick, that get shit on early 1vs1, but wins more and more 1vs1 later, by just out stating. he just needs a new core idea and some room to show your skill.

"Is this his club name or the name of his division? If it's the latter, it's not really like he has any influence over that." i used his op.gg to remind him, that he could use some time (and skill) in this game. views change after a certain time. but no, i wont eloshame him in public. you can op.gg by yourself.

BearGrillz34Jul 19, 20181 votes

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"What's to say you shouldn't be able to outplay everyone early game then? While you're at it, why don't you give me 1 fighter who can't take a nasus on early?" thats my point: nasus is a shitty designed stat stick, that get shit on early 1vs1, but wins more and more 1vs1 later, by just out stating. he just needs a new core idea and some room to show your skill.

"Is this his club name or the name of his division? If it's the latter, it's not really like he has any influence over that." i used his op.gg to remind him, that he could use some time (and skill) in this game. views change after a certain time. but no, i wont eloshame him in public. you can op.gg by yourself.

I remember shitting on Nasus a couple hundred times, only to get shit on later because he can just stack up. That cripple is fucking bullshit as well, I can't fucking move or even auto attack. Sure, I wouldn't mind the movespeed debuff if I could ACTUALLY ATTACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. He gets like 5 q's on my ass before I can actually finish 1 auto attack.

He is infact cancer and I'm greatful I hardly vs nasus these days cause he's really annoying. You gotta constantly poke his ass to make sure he doesn't heal back to full hp and then later on you need your whole team to even kill him...

FridgeDJul 19, 20181 votes

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I remember shitting on Nasus a couple hundred times, only to get shit on later because he can just stack up. That cripple is fucking bullshit as well, I can't fucking move or even auto attack. Sure, I wouldn't mind the movespeed debuff if I could ACTUALLY ATTACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. He gets like 5 q's on my ass before I can actually finish 1 auto attack.

He is infact cancer and I'm greatful I hardly vs nasus these days cause he's really annoying. You gotta constantly poke his ass to make sure he doesn't heal back to full hp and then later on you need your whole team to even kill him...

100% agree. i in general hate champs, that you "need to shut down early". what is that stupid design? its fcking lazy and dumb! give those champs some real power curve and skill expression or make them unplayable until rework.

everytime those shit champ gets viable they dominate everything and create the worst metas melee adcs like tryn yasuo yi; endless scalers, who just 1 shot without counterplay after 30 min nasus veigar; hypercarry ad with 700+ range tris, jinx, twitch, kog who get a shild slave and carry every game

i know, this lategame fantasy looks amazing for the player, but for the rest of both teams its dumb. yes, lol revolves around you playing around your pick and the pick of the other 9 players. but you shouldnt be forced to completly alter your gameplay, just cause 1 of the 9 other players decided to play 1 of those champs.

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 19, 20181 votes

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100% agree. i in general hate champs, that you "need to shut down early". what is that stupid design? its fcking lazy and dumb! give those champs some real power curve and skill expression or make them unplayable until rework.

everytime those shit champ gets viable they dominate everything and create the worst metas melee adcs like tryn yasuo yi; endless scalers, who just 1 shot without counterplay after 30 min nasus veigar; hypercarry ad with 700+ range tris, jinx, twitch, kog who get a shild slave and carry every game

i know, this lategame fantasy looks amazing for the player, but for the rest of both teams its dumb. yes, lol revolves around you playing around your pick and the pick of the other 9 players. but you shouldnt be forced to completly alter your gameplay, just cause 1 of the 9 other players decided to play 1 of those champs.

He is unplayable. He gets shut down early because any toplaner can easily do. He has the weakest early laning phase compared to all toplaners when stacking. He probably might need a rework. They'll just give him a bunch of dashes and stealth.

Spicy RiceJul 18, 20183 votes

Did you not play the game when Nasus ran pre-nerf kleptomancy top?

He was basically a better scaling singed, who whacked you for gold 24/7, even if he would die for it, and then immediately turned and killed you once he had a sheen and was level 6

RanmaruJul 18, 20181 votes

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They just removing any counterplay for cancer champs.First tryndamere ,now nasus...

Tryndamere wisnt that good still and nasus is cancer but easily kitable if you stay out of wither range

CppLJul 19, 20181 votes

And thats the main problem.Wither has 600 range.600 point and click range ,thats more range than the most adc has.

Horse GrenadesJul 18, 20181 votes

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They just removing any counterplay for cancer champs.First tryndamere ,now nasus...

What'd they do to Nasus?

CppLJul 19, 20181 votes

They buffed his passive

RanmaruJul 18, 20187 votes

Which is w hy hes at a 50% winrate because oh hes so op please riot plz

AirKingNeoJul 18, 20183 votes

Sorry, you stated facts that are against the circlejerk! You have been downvoted 9 times!

Why is there still nothing out of the mod team trying to get rid of circlejerks?

ninjaroxasJul 18, 20185 votes

Why is it so hard for some to grasp the concept that it's just unfun to play against these champs and has little to nothing to do with their strength? He's an unhealthy champion that most players hate playing against. End of story

SasogwaJul 18, 20184 votes

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Why is it so hard for some to grasp the concept that it's just unfun to play against these champs and has little to nothing to do with their strength? He's an unhealthy champion that most players hate playing against. End of story

So they deserve to be garbage and fuck their playerbase? But then I find every adc to be cancer so they should be kept garbage? I mean that's good enough for me, but I don't think it's the way to balance out things.

ninjaroxasJul 18, 20184 votes

Yes actually, because he is unhealthy. Same reason why champions like azir and kal are so hard to balance.Why should others have to suffer just for them to have fun with that one champion? An entire class is also different then one champion.

AirKingNeoJul 18, 20182 votes

You could always have the balance team actually fix the issue with the champion, but that would require a competent balance team in the first place.

ninjaroxasJul 19, 20181 votes

While I don't have much faith in the balance team either they really need reworks which I'm pretty sure is a different team

SasogwaJul 19, 20181 votes

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Yes actually, because he is unhealthy. Same reason why champions like azir and kal are so hard to balance.Why should others have to suffer just for them to have fun with that one champion? An entire class is also different then one champion.

Your definition of unhealthy is biased as fuck. I hate many champions and find them unhealthy. I find ranged toplaners that have free lanes against you and poke you to oblivion infinitely more cancer and unhealthy than fucking tryndamere that's like the most predictable fucking champion in the game and it feels like you missplayed 100% of the time if you get killed. only exceptions I've met being silvers not aware of what he can do.

So that means the champions I hate should get nerfed to unviability? I don't think so, yes I hate playing against them and secretly wish all kind of bad things to those players, but that doesn't mean they should get gutted.

On the other hand azir and kali have gamebreaking kits that have proven they can destroy competitive play when having 40%ish winrates in soloQ. Tryndamere is just so not that. He's extremely predictable, bad to force plays due to limited mobility and crowd control, weak in teamfights, etc. He's just so different from Azir/Kalista/Ryze kind of kits that are huge balance problems for competitive vs normal play.

So many people hate him because they hate losing to a champion with a simple kit when playing champions with more complex kits (and for some reason think they're more skilled than the trynd BECAUSE they play champions with higher skillfloor). He's not even that good. Like, yeah he got maybe a bit overbuffed with the E changes to compensate crit ER removal, but that's just easily fixable and not that much of a problem (his winrate isn't even alarming, for a champion whose kit is rather easy to take in hand)

ninjaroxasJul 19, 20182 votes

And you think I'm biased? People hate him because he is a stack checker which makes him unhealthy which is different then you throwing a fit over range champs going top. Once again, has nothing to do with how good he is.

I bet you tell people that don't like playing against yasuo to learn how to play against him

BEK MakadurJul 19, 20181 votes

The main difference between tryn and champs like yasuo/zed/zoe, is that he has nearly 0outplay potential and he only rly works of the mistakes of enemies. There is only one thing he is good at and that is splitpush and until midgame a lot of other champs beat him ez. He shouldn't be a top tier champ, but because of his easy kit he should be over 50% winrate.

ninjaroxasJul 20, 20182 votes

Exactly he doesn't have out play potential cause he is a stack checker. Idk about having a over 50% winrate, I mean how many champs even have that right now.

Edit: around 60 actually according to op.gg which is a lot more then I thought. Tryn actually has around a 51% winrate right now in NA and if your one of the pinky people that only goes off KR it's still around 50%

BEK MakadurJul 21, 20181 votes

He is mpstly a stat check for himself. Alot of champs can outplay him, but he can't rly outplay them. A champ that is that easy to understand just like garen and alot of other champs, should work very well until high elo(define that how you want, for me thats like high gold). Above that, most people who play him are rly maining him so his wr is ofc higher than one of a champ that is more famous.

And winrate varies alot. Actually i like to use it as an indicator, but sometimes that doesnt work tbh.

Beacon AcademyJul 18, 20186 votes

Its not fun to burst someone down, only to have them whack you for 5 seconds for free.

Even Olaf or Alistar can be killed when they Ult

XxoRazorBladeoxXJul 18, 20181 votes

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Its not fun to burst someone down, only to have them whack you for 5 seconds for free.

Even Olaf or Alistar can be killed when they Ult

Its not fun to play as a champion who has no early game dominance and can barely get enough stacks to start running people down. Nasus doesnt have any early game dominance compared to the other champions in league. Why dont you say the same for the rest of the other champions who can do the same but even better?

The EcdysiastJul 18, 20181 votes

Not having a ranged attack hurts any laner levels 1-5. But that's the extreme early game and can easily be played around. At which point an early lead is meaningless, because Nasus/Tryn/Udyr/Singed can just splitpush the rest of the game, since they're designed to be impossible to kill 1v1.

KyunseiJul 18, 20182 votes

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TheKingOfBichesJul 18, 201813 votes

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He clearly needed buff, though they now need to nerf his AP ratio, as this champion should have nothing to do with any sort of AP build.

Tryndamere is not a champion that should be getting any sort of buffs at all,he has an extremely unhealthy kit to play against,he has to be gutted until he gets his rework.

Crescent DuskJul 20, 20181 votes

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Tryndamere is not a champion that should be getting any sort of buffs at all,he has an extremely unhealthy kit to play against,he has to be gutted until he gets his rework.

Basically play the RNG autoattack crit lottery as unless you're a Darius or Trundle he can straight up jump on you and autoattack you to death, especially since his whirldwind is such a low cd and does damage on top. 2 gap closers on him, immortality mode which unlike Aatrox still allows him to continue attacking even when taken to minimum health.

I despise autoattack champs in this game, the current items and conqueror rune make them so retardedly broken.

WøOxerJul 20, 20181 votes

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Basically play the RNG autoattack crit lottery as unless you're a Darius or Trundle he can straight up jump on you and autoattack you to death, especially since his whirldwind is such a low cd and does damage on top. 2 gap closers on him, immortality mode which unlike Aatrox still allows him to continue attacking even when taken to minimum health.

I despise autoattack champs in this game, the current items and conqueror rune make them so retardedly broken.

I dont know why but AP tryndamere is way stronger than AD atm lol. He literally deals damage from nowhere, heals shittons with Q.