if you think fizz's E is what makes him strong...

CerealBoxOfDoom·Jun 2, 2016·2 votes·630 views

assuming you even think he's that strong you deserve to get your ass handed to you.

but if you just want more time between eventful and mention worthy teamfights of any kind then you're fine.

21 Comments

QuephaJun 2, 20164 votes

But it IS what makes him strong, his entire kit is on that one ability. His biggest source of burst, his only form of waveclear, his only cc sans ult, his only escape, his best gapcloser, and his only defensive tool. Beating Fizz is 100% about getting him to waste that cooldown on something and beating him while it's down.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20161 votes

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But it IS what makes him strong, his entire kit is on that one ability. His biggest source of burst, his only form of waveclear, his only cc sans ult, his only escape, his best gapcloser, and his only defensive tool. Beating Fizz is 100% about getting him to waste that cooldown on something and beating him while it's down.

:) you deserve every ass beating fizz gives you

herpderp, assassin with berst no way!

yea that's his entire kit, that's why half the time he finishes you off with autoattacks even when he doesnt actually succeed

Milodic MellodiJun 2, 20162 votes

Except it is his entire kit, other than his R. Early game you've over-reliant on it and his W's hidden power, late game you're overly reliant on it and his R.

WoonStruckJun 2, 20161 votes

Except its not. His W is what makes him overbearing in every situation. It pushes the damage on his Q to absurd levels to the point where he doesn't even need E for damage sometimes.

His W is what enables tank builds as well.

Everything being loaded into his E should make him easy to balance. If he doesn't always need his E for damage (even when fed), it shows the rest of his kit deals far too much of it.

W is the reason for him dealing too much damage. His E is annoying. His W is what's broken.

The WhamboozlerJun 2, 20162 votes

Strong? Weak? Balanced? I just think his E makes him freaking OBNOXIOUS.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20161 votes

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Strong? Weak? Balanced? I just think his E makes him freaking OBNOXIOUS.

why is it so hard to play around?

herpderp, an assassin is on the enemy team. Gee golly i wonder what he's gonna do. oh look he found some way to jump to the enemy carries. Maybe i should do something during the 4 second window during which he is most POWerFULlll. (presses buttons) herpderp, the assassin is escaping. gee golly I guess I'll have to fully commit to chasing or just accept that assassins get away sometimes...

The WhamboozlerJun 2, 20162 votes

Perhaps it was because of the excessive use of random "herpaderps" in this rant, but I have no freakin' idea what your point is here. It all blurred together in my head and just kinda sounds like that noise a donkey makes if you prod it.

Best I can figure you're mocking a hypothetical adc or something for... not... doing something? I have no idea what the crap is even happening in this fictional scenario you're trying to make because you phrased it all in the manner of a drunk chimp that just dropped two tabs of acid.

People do not like Fizz because of his E. Is it his strongest skill? Meh, debatable. It doesn't do the most damage or have the strongest scaling, but it enables EVERYTHING else in his kit. It lets him get in, get out, jump walls, dodge skillshots, etc etc. It's the obnoxious part of his kit, and it's the reason people who hate on him hate on him. Just because it isn't the skill that hurts the most doesn't mean it isn't the most important part of his kit. TRY to imagine Fizz without his E. Go ahead... imagine it. He would SUCK. OUT. LOUD. But with it he is a vexing burst-monkey that drives people nuts because he can become invulnerable and dash around every 4-6 seconds. There isn't much that anyone can really do to stop him, either. Sure, if he leaps into 5 people he MIGHT die. Or he might hourglass after his insta-gib of the adc then flip out to safety with barely a scratch. Let's also not forget that Fizz has a team. If you're all waiting around to kill the fish when his hourglass or pole ends, his team is slamming you without fear. Add in that a lot of Fizz builds to tanky now and yeah... he's not even that easy to burst down if you DO manage to stun him.

But seriously.... I'm curious wtf your point WAS about. That Fizz should just be allowed to instagib people with a VERY small window of vulnerability of his own... just because? That's... not a very good point there.

101100111000Jun 2, 20162 votes

I mean, being able to dodge whatever the fuck you want, hop walls, apply an AoE slow, or just fuck with your enemies all in a single button is stupid.

Vlad's pool is the only other kind of on-demand invulnerability like Fizz's pole and it doesn't do half of that shit while having almost double the cooldown.

And why in fuckin hell does an assassin need on-demand "dodge everything"? The only other few assassins that can dodge shit like that are Shaco and Zed, the former having it for 0.5 second on his ult, with the latter getting dicked on for the rest of his obnoxious kit.

Literally no other assassin has access to such a bullshit mechanic like untargetability, and so readily. And it's so unnecessary.

Put it on an adc and let it eat up most of their kit, sure whatever. It'll be annoying, but in terms of overall design, giving an adc a defensive mechanic in the form of untargetability for, what, 1.5 seconds? Fine.

Put it on a support to allow for uninterrupted clutch utility. Call it synergistic, call it annoying, but it wouldn't be overbearing to put it on a champion with little damage output.

But an assassin? And that's not even the worst part. The troll pole wouldn't be nearly as complained about if all it did was dodge crap. No, it has to deal DAMAGE too. Oh, damaging dodge ability? Why not add a slow too? And let's also make it a gapcloser just to be safe. I mean for fuck's sakes, give me a break.

And don't give me this bullshit about it being telegraphed. You can just double cast that crap and jump on top of someone as fast as your Q can. While dealing the SAME amount of damage. Nope, can't sacrifice damage for utility, just wouldn't make sense.

And then let's modify AP itemization so he can pick up Zhonya's AND 40% cdr. Just gotta troll pole in, Zhonya's to flip off your opponent's, and oh look, troll pole is off it's 4 second cooldown, time to leave because fuck reasonable limitations.

If Fizz's didn't have untargetability and kept his current numbers, his winrate would drop so bloody hard because of how much bullshit he wouldn't be able to get away with anymore early game. But sure, "his E doens't make him strong". It just makes him unsufferable.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20161 votes

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I mean, being able to dodge whatever the fuck you want, hop walls, apply an AoE slow, or just fuck with your enemies all in a single button is stupid.

Vlad's pool is the only other kind of on-demand invulnerability like Fizz's pole and it doesn't do half of that shit while having almost double the cooldown.

And why in fuckin hell does an assassin need on-demand "dodge everything"? The only other few assassins that can dodge shit like that are Shaco and Zed, the former having it for 0.5 second on his ult, with the latter getting dicked on for the rest of his obnoxious kit.

Literally no other assassin has access to such a bullshit mechanic like untargetability, and so readily. And it's so unnecessary.

Put it on an adc and let it eat up most of their kit, sure whatever. It'll be annoying, but in terms of overall design, giving an adc a defensive mechanic in the form of untargetability for, what, 1.5 seconds? Fine.

Put it on a support to allow for uninterrupted clutch utility. Call it synergistic, call it annoying, but it wouldn't be overbearing to put it on a champion with little damage output.

But an assassin? And that's not even the worst part. The troll pole wouldn't be nearly as complained about if all it did was dodge crap. No, it has to deal DAMAGE too. Oh, damaging dodge ability? Why not add a slow too? And let's also make it a gapcloser just to be safe. I mean for fuck's sakes, give me a break.

And don't give me this bullshit about it being telegraphed. You can just double cast that crap and jump on top of someone as fast as your Q can. While dealing the SAME amount of damage. Nope, can't sacrifice damage for utility, just wouldn't make sense.

And then let's modify AP itemization so he can pick up Zhonya's AND 40% cdr. Just gotta troll pole in, Zhonya's to flip off your opponent's, and oh look, troll pole is off it's 4 second cooldown, time to leave because fuck reasonable limitations.

If Fizz's didn't have untargetability and kept his current numbers, his winrate would drop so bloody hard because of how much bullshit he wouldn't be able to get away with anymore early game. But sure, "his E doens't make him strong". It just makes him unsufferable.

seriously have you even seen what his E does?

101100111000Jun 2, 20162 votes

You obviously didn't read shit when I described exactly what the bloody shit does on the first line.

Fizz main detected, trying to downplay the cancer.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20161 votes

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You obviously didn't read shit when I described exactly what the bloody shit does on the first line.

Fizz main detected, trying to downplay the cancer.

your tunnelvision though

Milodic MellodiJun 2, 20161 votes

Anyone would get Tunnel Vision with the amount of needless cancer this topic is creating.

Squidward DabJun 2, 20161 votes

I find his seastone trident passive more annoying tbh, his e isn't overpowered it can just be a bit annoying but I definitely find his w passive more annoying, that sustained damage is part of his power

DefendedJun 2, 20161 votes

When a Unranked player tries to tell people they suck

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20161 votes

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When a Unranked player tries to tell people they suck

never said they sucked, I just said they deserve that trident up the ass if they are going to to just gonna grab their ankles and ignore the very plainly obvious fat to be trimmed off his kit.

They call him OP yet they don't actually want to hit what really makes fizz even close to strong

DefendedJun 2, 20161 votes

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never said they sucked, I just said they deserve that trident up the ass if they are going to to just gonna grab their ankles and ignore the very plainly obvious fat to be trimmed off his kit.

They call him OP yet they don't actually want to hit what really makes fizz even close to strong

I dont care what makes him OP. But the fact is hes a freelo champ .Played Jungle played top played mid played tank played ap played brusier all with positive win rates??

Yeah tell me hes balanced alright.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 2, 20162 votes

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I dont care what makes him OP. But the fact is hes a freelo champ .Played Jungle played top played mid played tank played ap played brusier all with positive win rates??

Yeah tell me hes balanced alright.

Do you think his E is what makes him able to jungle? Perhaps he's dodging the jungle camps to death?

Do you think his E is what allows him to build tank items and do anything whatsoever?

Yes he probably is balanced, but if he needs nerfs the problem likely isnt his E

DefendedJun 2, 20161 votes

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Do you think his E is what makes him able to jungle? Perhaps he's dodging the jungle camps to death?

Do you think his E is what allows him to build tank items and do anything whatsoever?

Yes he probably is balanced, but if he needs nerfs the problem likely isnt his E

Like i said. I dont care what it is. But since you asked.

The reason people complain about his E is because he uses it to get close to you, dashes on you,% health, You're dead. E's out.

All this in a 2-3 second frame. Hes perfectly safe at too many times. Thats why. I think his E is fucking stupid. The cooldown is way too low

WoonStruckJun 2, 20161 votes

Look at LB. She has low downtime on her mobility/damage/waveclear/safety. She's not nearly as much of an issue.

Why? Because her other abilities aren't broken ever since they reworked Q and ult.

While Fizz's E is strong, his W is what's broken on him. That AP ratio means his Q ratio is artificially higher on a level much higher than Irelia's damage with her W+sheen being applied to her Q. He does 160+100%AD+110%AP (160%+75% base AD with Lichbane). That's more than some champions' entire kits. And that's not including his E or ult, or the 8% missing HP.

W is what allows him to build tanky. Its what allows him to end up in those situations where he just W->Q for half a squishy's life, sometimes more.

His E is annoying. His W is what's broken. Him and Irelia have a lot in common. However, Irelia's W doesn't scale. Fizz's does.

DemainaNyxJun 2, 20161 votes

The biggest problem with Fizz/Zed/Kat is no one knows what to do against them. Someone with CC stand near your carries and PROTECT THEM. That's literally it. The more obnoxious is tank Fizz. If he's assassin Fizz, whatever, that's his job to delete squishies, but when he's tanky and can still delete, that's just unfair. Normally you trade damage for health or resistances. Him, Ekko, and Akali are these assassins who build one AP item and can wreck team without taking damage.