When the support is weak the assassin is stronk and they call it "the assassin meta"
When support is strong they're like "what's an assassin?"
Part of the reason shit teams get dunked by assassins is because they don't take the support role seriously.
Galisper20 votes
presses r skillfully
Enloct30 votesADC Dead before it takes effect.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesfor ad assassins it might not be the case since taric can give them a lot of armor. one time my jinx had about 175 armor because of my passive and when i healed her it went up almost 200 so a zed would have a hard time killing her.
Friendly Ram17 votesLulu and braum shut down all assassins.
CerealBoxOfDoom6 votes[{quoted}](name=Happy Honker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RyEW7Ts,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-28T00:35:26.922+0000)
Lulu and braum shut down all assassins.
so do janna and sona and leona
People underestimate the importance of this role as your mmr goes down I notice
CasterGilgamesh3 votes
Troll for Trump9 votesAs 
:
Annoying AF, really hard to kill
is better than Thresh in this case; Thresh hardly does anything
(sometimes; like most squishy supports it's always onsided)
tldr; Supports that can peel
SH Azykan17 votesif soraka is fast enough to drop the silence field on whoever talon wants to kill, that soraka deserves all the praise
Troll for Trump1 votesYeah, it's really stupid when she does that. But hopefully she and the ADC are a little spread apart; She uses her E as I ult as Talon, so I can pick which target I want to jump on. Both her and the ADC are primary targets, though the ADC is generally better.
Tank Raka is much harder to deal with.
SH Azykan1 votesif you are in range where raka will see you ulting anyways, probably a better idea to use the ult in your combo instead, way stronger burst that way and can use it for more aoe damage. Also you can E+Ult immediately to bait sorakas silence and get into a position to wreck them still.
Ulting outside of vision with yomuus popped is generally when sorakas reaction speed is called into question, because you pop out of nowhere and raka has like 0.2 seconds to get out that silence or someone is dead
Troll for Trump1 votesYou shouldn't be focusing on soraka as the number one priority. Basically always jump on the ADC, unless somehow Soraka becomes more of a threat than the ADC(Maybe she went mid? IDK).
There is a way to be undetected by Ulting, Youmuu, and then E onto a target in bot lane, sorta like how rengar can use youmuus so you can't see the "!" from his ult and react to it.
So yeah ,as you described it.
Supreme Senpai691 votesWhen I play Soraka it's hilarious when I see the enemy top laner TP'ing to gank bot. You just put down an E 1.5 seconds after you see the TP animation start and it's a free kill for your ADC
spombjop2 votes[{quoted}](name=Happy Honker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RyEW7Ts,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-28T00:35:26.922+0000)
Lulu and braum shut down all assassins.
Friendly Ram10 votesMoo cow shuts down everything not just assassins.
Pale Pirate3 votes
cough cough
Friendly Ram4 votesI hate you. Condemn me out of my headbutt every godamn time.
KONO RUBICK DA8 votessurprised how none mentioned zilean, he literally makes zed useless in a fight.
Miss Luxanna6 votesI once 2v1 a Wukong and Volibear as Braum. I felt so good.
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lux de Demacia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RyEW7Ts,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-05-28T04:10:36.428+0000)
I once 2v1 a Wukong and Volibear as Braum. I felt so good.
none of those are really assassins, but yes it really does go beyond assassins. Anything that tries to be an assassin also gets the shaft sometimes.
People need to take the support role and champion type more seriously. That's why in nemesis draft I'd keep getting pre-rework soraka and I was just like...
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteswukong is an assassin
Troll for Trump6 votesFighter.
It's like how 
is an "Assassin" but much more so fighter
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesFighter. It's like how
he's a fighter/assassin like fizz
they all get some ability to evade some damage temporarily and force alot of damage on a specific target. They also get a defensive steroid or something like that, xin gets megaheals.
They also tend to isolate you somethow though its not always a hard isolation
even fizzes ult has something like that.
ImmortalBloodCY4 votesI play and most of the time my ADC pushes deep in the tower the wave so their jungler comes to gank yet 90% of the time they either die or leave with all CD wasted.
Honestly its funny to watch.
Eevee In A Jar1 votesSoraka is strong in lane but weak against ganks especially hard engages. All you need is a little burst.
CerealBoxOfDoom10 votesSoraka is strong in lane but weak against ganks especially hard engages. All you need is a little burst.
new soraka, old soraka laughed at your pathetic burst and instantly healed herself back to full then proceeded to pummel you with bananas and starlight
aLawfulFalafel7 votescan we have a moment of silence for old raka
50000000000000008 votes3 seconds of silence, to be exact
Kuroi862 votesYou just need to burn.
Eevee In A Jar2 votesI do miss the old soraka more. The Q spam. Remember that Soraka level 1 penta kill video with her Q?
Athenes Lulu4 votes
Double, double, toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble. 
[slayer-jinx-wink]
CerealBoxOfDoom4 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RyEW7Ts,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-05-28T07:26:39.805+0000)
[slayer-jinx-wink]
http://www.gosugamers.net/uploads/images/cards/79-1003140-standard-1391644209.png
Dataless4 votesThe problem is at lower elo's players don't understand the function of a support, and as such play them poorly. Backline "caster" supports such as 
can shut down not just assassins but ENTIRE TEAMS when played properly, and yet people think that we are the "weak" role. It makes me giggle, I love being underestimated.
The true hard counter to assassins is 
(I'm a Bard main, totally no bias here. Yup, none): Hey 
I see that Death Mark shuriken above my ADC's head, it would be a shame if they took a.............. time out
/sunglasses on
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesBard makes your ADC afk for 2.5, zilean makes them able to attack and afk for a second? of course we are only comparing their ability to shut down assassins
chuckduck13 votesSince this game actually requires teamwork, it is really easy for those who go lone wolf to say assassins are broken. A good example of teamwork being needed is any game where the enemy has a Master Yi and I am playing Braum. With just a sinle q or auto attack and a little contribution from nearby allies, a stun locks down Yi and deletes him. it's not a slow so Yi can't counter it and the effect lasts long enough so even if Yi uses Q, he comes back out of it and is immediately stunned.
Good supports dominate good assassins.
morris12 votesIt's usually a psychological warfare whenever the support is near a high priority target. I have this weird mentality where said squishy is nigh invincible in the presence of a support unless I am stupidly fed and most of the time I just end up not engaging them.
JMoormann2 votesWhat do you mean? I should stop going full AP Karthus support against Zed?
Eevee In A Jar1 votesMan more like specific supports counter assassin's. Brand counters assassins? Nah, he'll get assassinated with the ADC. Lulu? If used right yes. Primarily more like hard stops against physical assassination attempts so like Alistair/Blitzcrank/Leona/Braum. Taric is good but I'll be honest if a good assassin comes in at you, your ult takes too long to fulfill its effect. Just having Alistar Q, then W you away is pretty efficient. I mean Janna is also top tier support because her ult is so easy to cast and her Q/W allowing her to peel like an insane hoe
CerealBoxOfDoom11 votesMan more like specific supports counter assassin's. Brand counters assassins? Nah, he'll get assassinated with the ADC. Lulu? If used right yes. Primarily more like hard stops against physical assassination attempts so like Alistair/Blitzcrank/Leona/Braum. Taric is good but I'll be honest if a good assassin comes in at you, your ult takes too long to fulfill its effect. Just having Alistar Q, then W you away is pretty efficient. I mean Janna is also top tier support because her ult is so easy to cast and her Q/W allowing her to peel like an insane hoe
no.. just actual supports
brand doesnt count...
CoolKnightST1 votesDepends what champion. Take 
for example. They only way you can safe your teammates is to use 
preventively. Often you won't be able to get the off before the blink. The range of exhaust is 650. While the range of her blink is 650(+250 from the hitbox). So basicly it's impossible to get the exhaust off before the damage is aplied. And that's just for the first cast. With her ult she can dubble it making counterplay during the process impossible. She might be a primary assasin. She still has a lot of the stengths a mage would have.
Another example is 
that can counter pretty well with Playful / Trickster. He can take out 1 second of the duration. But often you will have not room for counterplay to get the exhaust off before he can aply his combo with the 400(+330) range on it. It's still more counterplay than LB tho. With experience you can handle it as a support. But we still hate him for it.
CerealBoxOfDoom4 votesDepends what champion. Take
Another example is
in both cases the mere presence of a ready support completely changes the math on how and when they can even afford to engage. alot of times the exhaust is more to say "no" to the free escape and if they fail to kill things can get very ugly very fast. Especially if the enemy can't be forced to give up on retaliation like in that worlds game where fizz goes in, gets wrecked and tries to E out but tristana's like "swiggity swooty, I'm come'n fo dat booty!" and chases him over the wall and kills him then uses her reset to get back in position fast.
then you got champs like zyra with that disengage. Worlds again, kassadin wants to kill ashe but zyra puts her ult right under or next to ashe for preemptive disengage followed by volleys and other spammy shit. One time kass tries to get in but the ult catches him and ashe steps back volleys and heals ults and locks him down again and proceeds to slow him for zyra's E as he tries to get out. Kass's team was with him but there wasn't really much they could do. Meanwhile splitpushing zed assassinates their towers while assassin prerework kass does nothing of importance.
alfavhunter1 votesThis is why I love playing support
What better way to tilt someone than to beat them by sheer outplaying them, it's not my damage that makes them lose, it's my mechanics
I once beat a super fed zed as support shaco, I had sight stone, banner of command, CDR boots and FQC (and blue buff cuss clone) putting me at 45% CDR with a little survival, a little damage and vision, then as my team was trying to mock contest Baron I split push bot, they sent zed after me (he was thier most fed he had close to full build and it was about 25 min in)
He shadowed over a box I just placed, and ended up in another box, he ulted after the fear as I was running and I jumped into another box, I then ulted and had clone run while I AAed he flashed after clone and ended in another box, he killed clone and almost died, I chased him he ran to his previuse shadow and ran toward his base, and ran into the box I placed in the beginning of the fight and died (he ran into 5 boxes through the the fight thanks to him chasing clone)
That was a support shaco beating a fed zed, how? Mechanics
The Ecdysiast1 votesMechanics of the champion do not mean you outplayed someone.
alfavhunter2 votesMechanics of the champion do not mean you outplayed someone.
Knowing the enemies mechanics and applying your own mechanics to beat them is the very definition of outplaying someone, especially when they are severely ahead of you in your builds and stats
I was support shaco with 3 support items and boots, he was a zed with 4.5 items and boots
My items were sight stone, FQC, and banner of command, with CDR boots, the fact I killed him in a 1v1 was purely by outplaying him through my understanding of mechanics and use of strategy
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesThis is why I love playing support
What better way to tilt someone than to beat them by sheer outplaying them, it's not my damage that makes them lose, it's my mechanics
I once beat a super fed zed as support shaco, I had sight stone, banner of command, CDR boots and FQC (and blue buff cuss clone) putting me at 45% CDR with a little survival, a little damage and vision, then as my team was trying to mock contest Baron I split push bot, they sent zed after me (he was thier most fed he had close to full build and it was about 25 min in)
He shadowed over a box I just placed, and ended up in another box, he ulted after the fear as I was running and I jumped into another box, I then ulted and had clone run while I AAed he flashed after clone and ended in another box, he killed clone and almost died, I chased him he ran to his previuse shadow and ran toward his base, and ran into the box I placed in the beginning of the fight and died (he ran into 5 boxes through the the fight thanks to him chasing clone)
That was a support shaco beating a fed zed, how? Mechanics
its not your mechanics, its your strategy
this is a strategy game and that is a strategic role
alfavhunter2 votesits not your mechanics, its your strategy
this is a strategy game and that is a strategic role
U see standing how my champion works and how his champion works is mechanics, applying it is strategy but it takes understanding of the mechanics to apply it well
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesU see standing how my champion works and how his champion works is mechanics, applying it is strategy but it takes understanding of the mechanics to apply it well
:P this game has pretty simple mechanics
alfavhunter2 votes:P this game has pretty simple mechanics
Simple when you are ahead sure
But being able to use them when severely behind isn't so simple
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesSimple when you are ahead sure
But being able to use them when severely behind isn't so simple
they work the same way you just "apply them in different ways" ... hue
but seriously there's 8 to like 12 buttons including the mouse its not crazy hard xD
like oh my damn i try to play archeage its like 30+ buttons
alfavhunter2 votesthey work the same way you just "apply them in different ways" ... hue
but seriously there's 8 to like 12 buttons including the mouse its not crazy hard xD
like oh my damn i try to play archeage its like 30+ buttons
I played a hunter in wow, back when we had 40+ keys to use and needed all of them (and I was an engineer so had more keyboards to use)
I stopped playing wow a while ago because it was just getting dull, I'll see the new exspansion and see how it's changed but till then I'm on other games
Zorae421 votesNote: Squishy supports (except maybe Lulu because she's ridic) only counter assassins if the assassins aren't directly targeting them.
Because you go down even faster than the adc if the assassin decides they've had enough of your CC and full combo's you faster than the cast time of your CC spell.
