So seeing as you want to gut supports

The thigh guy·Feb 14, 2019·5 votes·1,251 views

Can we ditch this quest shit and just get sightstone back? :/

13 Comments

Sir SaltarinFeb 14, 20196 votes

Support items are not gutted lmao

The thigh guyFeb 14, 20193 votes

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Support items are not gutted lmao

Any reduction in gold income to a role that already has low gold income is a way bigger hit than it is to any other role. This is going to be about a 10-15% good loss for supports. Who already lack in gold.

SalronFeb 14, 20192 votes

They also have the cheapest items in the game Funny how you leave that part out

The thigh guyFeb 14, 20191 votes

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They also have the cheapest items in the game Funny how you leave that part out

Funny how you leave out that they build these cheap items because that’s all they have the gold to build. Can’t drop 4K gold on a triforce as suppoet.

Doge2020Feb 14, 20191 votes

Well usually you wouldn’t build tri on a support in the first place because it doesn’t have enough synergy with most of the supp champs. The only two I can think of is blitz and Leona, and if they build Tri they are most likely top, going bruiser and have no intention of being the supp of the game.

Most of the cheap items are cheap because riot knows how hard it is for supports to get gold. So they lowered the cost of (most) of their best items so supports can function on their lower amount of income.

tPnV36pOV3tCmrWLFeb 14, 20192 votes

Supports aren't supposed to be powerful. They're supposed to be CCbots and wardbots

PoskeFeb 14, 20191 votes

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Any reduction in gold income to a role that already has low gold income is a way bigger hit than it is to any other role. This is going to be about a 10-15% good loss for supports. Who already lack in gold.

Blame it on Riot for not giving supports a fking work to justify the gold gain

**Rework fking minion waves ** MAKE SUPPORTS interact with allied minions 300 range every champion (Diff thing happens with each minion)

Simple example (I have long complicated balanced versions in another post but this is small preview)

Leftclick minions below for effects

New Minion1 gives you a 30% movement speed boost after 1 second for 2 seconds (Helps every support class pokers, catchers etc) New Minion2 send them to buy and carry you an items (Enemy instantly gets minion exp if you send it back to base, but wont give em when it dies) New Minion3 can be denied at% Treshold eventually hits 100% (If enemy champion attack this one, this minion ll start chasing em for counterplay sake) New Minion4 forced minion block, RUSHES to another specific minion and when those minions are near they wall up (Walling up is just obvious minion block)

4 examples can give 10 more

Supports need a job. We cant have them get gold for basicly free This is what like 4th time non supports started taking support items

I remember abusing Frostqueen claim on Brand mid.. 1700 GOLD a game with that item it would accelerate my Rylai liandry rush while fixing mana issues (of course first item has to fix mana issues)

Brand was viable mid twice in league history. At release, at Frostqueenclaim peek

Not only would my suggestion INCREASE Support role popularity, it would increase its their power Every role should have 20% power

hrooza dota Feb 15, 20191 votes

if you lack gold as support then you are doing it wrong.

you are not meant to be 6 sloted by the time others are 6 sloted you meant to be a role that stay effective with less gold

AnomanderFeb 14, 20194 votes

Spellthief's Edge Line NEWBUDDY SYSTEM Tribute procs now require an allied champion within 2000 range to grant gold, otherwise they only deal extra damage TRIBUTE GOLD 10/20/20 gold (Spellthief's Edge/Frostfang/Remnant of the Watchers) ⇒ 11/22/22 gold (Spellthief's Edge/Frostfang/Remnant of the Watchers) Ancient Coin Line NEWBUDDY SYSTEM Favor procs now require an allied champion within 2000 range to drop gold coins, otherwise they only drop mana coins FAVOR GOLD 25/45/45 gold (Ancient Coin/Nomad's Medallion/Remnant of the Ascended) ⇒ 28/50/50 gold (Ancient Coin/Nomad's Medallion/Remnant of the Ascended)

Good news this doesn't affect most tank supports. Also people are blowing it way out of proportion.

If you are alone in a lane on ANY champion using either of these items you should be last hitting like other champions. This also doesn't change the gold per 5 on the item only the extra coins/poke gold. This doesn't affect when you gank as there should be another person in the lane your ganking as a roaming support.

The only thing this does is PREVENT solo laners from abusing a support item.

Doge2020Feb 14, 20191 votes

Honestly we shouldn’t be surprised when people blow things out of proportion for no reason.

The Nasus buff is my most recent example of this, most people complained about it because, as a low elo stomper that requires a lot of matchup knowledge to effectively play against, Nasus is a really good low elo stomper with Garen. most people don’t know how to effectively kite, trade or do most of the things that you see in high elo so Nasus performs better than normal because most of his weaknesses (he is very easy to kite when you have the correct items/setup) don’t get abused by most low elo players.

And this isn’t a biased nasus main wanting to rant about why my champ sucks and needs more buffs (which he kinda lowkey does but I don’t care at all), I have been on both sides of the matchup. As the nasus player stomping the enemy laner because he didn’t deny me enough stacks or didn’t get an early lead to snowball, and the laner against nasus who royally screwed up and put the nasus in the position for an easy game.

Sorry about that nasus rant. I hate it when people blow things out of proportion, and complain that a small thing that isn’t a big deal at all is somehow the biggest tragedy known to man.

COLDSNOWKILLERFeb 14, 20192 votes

I'd kill to have ruby sight stone back.

The thigh guyFeb 14, 20191 votes

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I'd kill to have ruby sight stone back.

Agreed. I still don’t know why they took it out. Other than wanting their duskblade of braindead to be op af.

OtterlyLostFeb 14, 20192 votes

Honestly, I dont know why, if they wanted to nerf junglers, they didn't just do so by buffing early game vision. Specifically by returning sightstone to supports. The have turned vision itself into more of a snowball mechanic by making the support vision the way it is. Now you either have to win lane hard in order to have vision. This also gives junglers way more ganking freedom.

#buffvison