[{quoted}](name=Herny knock down,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RefVqsBR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-06-06T11:15:27.418+0000)
The thing is to complain... before, because the stun was FAST and he rape in lane . NOW, you EVEN SAID IT , 99% you avoid his E . But when he gets You...(Dont tell me you want him to do you giggles ) point ans click...PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF like
Yeah they dont do the same damage but the have the same ability to do the stupid point and click for the win So yo better no complain and buy
or use 
Before rework?
He had less than 45% winrate, terrible pickrate, his mana costs were huge, he lost most of his lanes. A E-W combo meant around half your mana. He had to try to harass OR farm, and farming was way less efficient in AP gaining. He was more reliable at oneshooting someone, but that was the only thing he did in a fight. He was known to make the teamfight instantly a 4v4 from a 5v5, cause after doing his combo he was useless. He had higher cooldowns and to be able to OS properly, built no cdr in his builds (apart from DFG, building grail delayed him a lot). Was hardcountered by any MR item ; basically insanely vulnerable with his cooldowns down. Was somewhat good midgame, but kinda bad lategame because everyone got banshees and Veigar was weak against banshees.
Now he has much more manageable cooldowns and manacosts and is much more of a teamfight control-damage lategame mage, nothing like the reliable burst-one-guy mage he was.
But for some reason, people view him as a terror prerework because he had an instant stun. It's sad.