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way to improve Lich Bane's viability as 1st item

LilxPaprika··1 votes·741 views

Objective: to make lich bane as viable as triforce as a first item and like triforce make it viable as a stand alone item.

Possible solution; Make it start at 250% base ad and 0% base ap (+1% to ap scaling for every 6 ap and - 21.3333333% to ad scaling for every 80 ap) this ceases when you reach 75% ad and 50% ap. so at 300 ap it returns to its current form.

this makes lich bane far more friendly as a starting item or as a stand alone item. Say for example you play warwick with only lich bane with wits end. or say you play jax with wits end gunblade and lichbane. and its now more feasible to buy it first instead of having to first build 1 or 2 ap items.

lastly.... this is where i go off the deep end and blow everyone's minds Optional: icing on the cake... lichbane's proc can spellvamp up to 250% of your base ad worth of damage at a 50% reduced effectiveness. So it calculates how much damage that is and excludes any extra damage you make from being spellvampable.

http://i.imgur.com/fCPpdlN.jpg

I CAN NOW REST for i have solved the riddle that is lich bane. I don't want to brag or anything but i think this is on par with e=mc2. or league of legend's equivalent to solving the theory of relativity.

13 Comments

ZephyrDrake3 votes

there is no need to make Lichbane a viable 1st item pick, it's already quite good as it is

LilxPaprika1 votes

sure the game is fun as is and it works. but why stop at it works when you can have it synergize so much more this way. go beyond work and go with creating an item that excels at what it was designed for/meet the needs of many grateful champions. everyone is happy this way.

DJ Di02 votes

Sona welcomes this change.

IwfiKe3qjM2 votes

I though the only problem is Lich Bane base AD ratio (75%) is reduced from Sheen (100%) although have additional 50% AP scaling and have AP by itself... so usually didn't rushed first, maybe second or third...

Lord Dusteon2 votes

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I though the only problem is Lich Bane base AD ratio (75%) is reduced from Sheen (100%) although have additional 50% AP scaling and have AP by itself... so usually didn't rushed first, maybe second or third...

Base AD ranges from 84.6 to 141.5. Lichbane changes Sheen from 100% base AD to 75%; this is a loss of 21.15 to 35.375 damage. The proc is 50% AP; Lichbane alone gives 80 AP, making the proc do AT LEAST 40 bonus damage.

Lichbane always does more damage than Sheen.

Rubbery Skrub1 votes

That would be completely unbalanced.

LilxPaprika1 votes

fyi trinity force is stronger than this as a starting item it has phage passive and its 10% crit does more damage than the 50% base ad difference between 200% and 250%.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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fyi trinity force is stronger than this as a starting item

No, it's not. Tri costs more and has 200% base AD. This would have 250% base AD (210% with it's base AD), AP scaling, and cost less.

LilxPaprika1 votes

lets say you have 115 base dmg at lvl 18. at 200% that's 230 dmg. plus 10% crit. say you have 300 ad crit doubles it so you have 10% chance to do an additional 300 damage. so overall thats 30 damage. That's without IE of course.

ooops made an adjustment Make it start at 250% base ad and 0% base ap (+1% to ap scaling for every 6 ap and - 21.3333333% to ad scaling for every 80 ap) this ceases when you reach 75% ad and 50% ap.

lich bane gives you 80 ap

so it starts at around 225% of base ad. 110 = 258 - 230 = 28 extra damage.

i will sleep on it and rework the numbers but i think u get the idea/premise overall it can work, just need to wake u with a clear head to think of the mathematical solution.

LilxPaprika1 votes

k i think it has to accelerate the ap or it has to continue on forever and even go to negativw %base ad value as you keep getting more and more ap

LilxPaprika1 votes

made this graph to show what i'm trying to achieve:

the current lich bane is on bottom while top is what i'm aiming for

at 300 or so dmg they both do the same amount

i'm also trying to do it such that as you add ap you're overall dmg always increases. but very little at first and accelerates as you approach 300 ap. there isn't a window where adding ap would lower your overall lich bane damage.

EDIT: GRAPH correction its more like 225% since lichbane gives 80 ap to start with. 250% probably is too high whatever number we find works to start off at factoring lichbane's flat 80 ap.

DrCyanide1 votes

Play AP Ezreal and it is a viable first item.

LilxPaprika1 votes

tbh id prefer getting 1 doran blade and keep sheen until i finish zhonia's on ap ez. his ult scales with ad so doesnt hurt to get some. also ez q makes him stand apart from most other champs. he can spam q outside auto attack range. and poke. other champs would have to trade. i can list so many champions where it isnt up to par as first item.

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