Is master yi over powered?

The Godkarther·Apr 18, 2019·8 votes·6,234 views

In my opinion he is. I'm just not too sure why a champion is allowed to go 1/10, but just because they didn't lose before late game can click R click the enemy team and get a penta.

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Sona PingApr 18, 20192 votes

How does a team that trashes their opponent so hard to make even the jungler go 1/10 not have already won the game?

In my experience if he gets cced he'll just wait til he's free and then penta the enemy team.

When does some carry get CCed in League that doesn't then just die in that CC?

I would like to know; I want to go play in that year of League.

The GodkartherApr 18, 20191 votes

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How does a team that trashes their opponent so hard to make even the jungler go 1/10 not have already won the game?

When does some carry get CCed in League that doesn't then just die in that CC?

I would like to know; I want to go play in that year of League.

Guardian angel

Sona PingApr 18, 20192 votes

That's a little different sort of difficulty. Anyways.

Excuse me, I didn't quite answer your original question well enough. "Is master yi over powered?"

I believe that someone could make an argument that Master Yi is performing too well at the moment, at the very least for certain sections of the game or players. However, I would think that the root cause for that is more due to items right now than Master Yi himself.

BlueNinja89Apr 18, 20192 votes

I agree. Master Yi tends to build the Bloodrazor Enchantment (Basic attacks deal 4% of the target's maximum health bonus physical damage on-hit, capped at 75 damage against minions and monsters) and Guinsoo's Rageblade (Guinsoo's Rage: Every second basic attack, on-attack, triggers a Phantom Hit that applies on-hit effects to the target unit after a 0.15 second delay).

These items in combination with Master Yi's passive (With every fourth basic attack [within 4 seconds of each other], Master Yi strikes twice, the second strike dealing 50% AD Attack damage physical damage. The second strike applies on-hit effects and can critically strike dealing 50% AD bonus physical damage.) make it so the Master Yi can deal a lot of damage with just a few auto-attacks.

Personally, I think that the Guinsoo's Rage passive is the thing that needs to be removed from the game as it is also making Vayne OP right now as well.

The thigh guyApr 18, 20192 votes

Considering there is a high elo strat where they litteraly just funnel as much gold as possible into him, yeah. Safe to say he’s pretty broken. If it was any other champion he would have already been gutted.

Sona PingApr 18, 20193 votes

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Considering there is a high elo strat where they litteraly just funnel as much gold as possible into him, yeah. Safe to say he’s pretty broken. If it was any other champion he would have already been gutted.

Boosting strat. And they did that with other champions as well. There were more parts to it other than just picking Yi.

The thigh guyApr 18, 20191 votes

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Boosting strat. And they did that with other champions as well. There were more parts to it other than just picking Yi.

No other champion is currently being used for it. Kai’sa got gutted, and twitch doesn’t have the clear speed.

Kaisa, twitch and yi were the key pieces for the strat. Now only one of them works.

And yes. It’s a boosting strat that works in high diamond.

Sona PingApr 18, 20191 votes

And Karthus, Taric, Lucian, Nunu, etc. We can name off champions or pieces but that doesn't really matter. "X champion being to be used in this exploitative strategy" is not a good reason that X must be overpowered outside of that usage as well.

The thigh guyApr 19, 20191 votes

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And Karthus, Taric, Lucian, Nunu, etc. We can name off champions or pieces but that doesn't really matter. "X champion being to be used in this exploitative strategy" is not a good reason that X must be overpowered outside of that usage as well.

Karthus. Not no more Taric is not a key part Lucian. Never happened Nunu. Never happened

Yi is the only hard carry left using this strat. And it works. And yes. An expointive strategy is why EZREAL was gutted? So why is it okay for Ezreal to be gutted for an exploitive strat but not yi? Why was that overpowered and got him gutted but not yi? Funnel yi is MUCH more oppressive.

Sona PingApr 24, 20191 votes

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Karthus. Not no more Taric is not a key part Lucian. Never happened Nunu. Never happened

Yi is the only hard carry left using this strat. And it works. And yes. An expointive strategy is why EZREAL was gutted? So why is it okay for Ezreal to be gutted for an exploitive strat but not yi? Why was that overpowered and got him gutted but not yi? Funnel yi is MUCH more oppressive.

Sorry, I'm going to have to take Doublelift's words on this over yours. And this still doesn't address the main question regarding this. A character's use in an exploit does not reflect anything about the character outside of that exploit.

The thigh guyApr 24, 20191 votes

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Sorry, I'm going to have to take Doublelift's words on this over yours. And this still doesn't address the main question regarding this. A character's use in an exploit does not reflect anything about the character outside of that exploit.

So double tear should never have been removed?

5.0 kog should never have been removed?

Tank victor top was perfectly fine?

NemeBroApr 19, 20191 votes

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Considering there is a high elo strat where they litteraly just funnel as much gold as possible into him, yeah. Safe to say he’s pretty broken. If it was any other champion he would have already been gutted.

Ah so synergy with champions is only grounds for nerfs when the champion is a damage dealer huh? Hypocrite. =)

The thigh guyApr 19, 20191 votes

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Ah so synergy with champions is only grounds for nerfs when the champion is a damage dealer huh? Hypocrite. =)

Funneling is not synergy with anything but gold.

boricCentaur1Apr 18, 20192 votes

Your argument makes no sense. Here is what your argument is really "why can't I win when I got yi behind and did nothing with it for 40 mins reeeee" if you do nothing with a lead vs a champion with a strong late you should lose like how is that not fair.

JuiceBoxPApr 18, 20193 votes

Yes, you are correct that it is a mistake for letting yi scale into the 40 minutes. The issue is that if he gets fed early his 2 item powerspike( item 1419 item 3006 item 3124 ) hits at minute 15-20. That is the point of no return where your game has ended.

Now that they reworked item 3091
He buys that as third item and he pretty much heals faster than you can damage him.

GoldsmithSmartyApr 23, 20191 votes

Absolutely right. I don't think there is a way to stop him after he got ahead and bought those 3 items. I have never actually lost a game with Yi after I managed to buy these items early on (excluding jungle item). I play him top only. But if I get bullied too much and they end the game in 20-25 min I can't do shit.

The GodkartherApr 18, 20192 votes

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Your argument makes no sense. Here is what your argument is really "why can't I win when I got yi behind and did nothing with it for 40 mins reeeee" if you do nothing with a lead vs a champion with a strong late you should lose like how is that not fair.

I don't think i ever mentioned 40 mins, this is more the 15-20 minute range where master yi reaches level 11 and obliterates absolutely everyone.

boricCentaur1Apr 18, 20191 votes

Coming back from 1 and 10 in a 15 to 20 game is impossible. Like late game is around 35 mins so wtf are you talking about 15 to 20 mins WHEN YOU SAID YI CAME BACK IN LATE GAME like I can see your post!

Also you want to know who has a better level 11 then yi ill list them lee,ren,kha,j4,rek'sai ,nunu, jax but only in a 1v1,and Skarner. Like the only way yi is obliterating people is if he is fed so maybe DON'T FEED HIM. Like yi ganks are not great he will not be able to 1v1 or have as good pressure compared to other jungles since the popular ones are like lee who have a great early and mid game who will shit on yi.

The GodkartherApr 18, 20191 votes

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Coming back from 1 and 10 in a 15 to 20 game is impossible. Like late game is around 35 mins so wtf are you talking about 15 to 20 mins WHEN YOU SAID YI CAME BACK IN LATE GAME like I can see your post!

Also you want to know who has a better level 11 then yi ill list them lee,ren,kha,j4,rek'sai ,nunu, jax but only in a 1v1,and Skarner. Like the only way yi is obliterating people is if he is fed so maybe DON'T FEED HIM. Like yi ganks are not great he will not be able to 1v1 or have as good pressure compared to other jungles since the popular ones are like lee who have a great early and mid game who will shit on yi.

I literally just played yi to test this out, I did terrible from minute 1 to 20, but as soon as I got my lvl 11 I got a bloody quadra kill and we won the game.

NemeBroApr 19, 20191 votes

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The GodkartherApr 23, 20191 votes

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You're bronze 1. Your experiences in-game don't matter buddy.

That is one of the stupidest replies I've ever heard.

NemeBroApr 23, 20191 votes

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The GodkartherApr 23, 20191 votes

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It isn't.

You are bad and are playing against bad players.

Your in-game experience is not representative of the game's actual balance due to wildly-differing ability levels and lack of consistency in the playerbase of your games.

It is.

NemeBroApr 24, 20191 votes

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It is.

Based on what?

What makes you think that a game against players who make up the lower echelon of the playerbase in skill level is representative of a game that is and should be balanced around higher level play?

The GodkartherApr 24, 20191 votes

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Based on what?

What makes you think that a game against players who make up the lower echelon of the playerbase in skill level is representative of a game that is and should be balanced around higher level play?

Just is really isn't it.

NemeBroApr 25, 20191 votes

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Just is really isn't it.

Consider rewording your post so that it makes sense my friend, because I don't know what you're saying here.

MoonscourgeApr 18, 20192 votes

"Just CC him" is such a braindead take. The guy has enough blinks to dodge most damage and CCs anyway and all he has to do is literally wait for the enemy team to use at least one of their CCs before he can 1v9. The champ is ridiculously overpowered and the stats show it. He's not just good in low elo, he has a winrate well above 50% and in my opinion is it far too hard to properly shut him down while also having to check off the enemy Mid laner AND extremely dangerous ADCs like Vayne who will kill everything if not instantly focused.

SirHydroApr 23, 20191 votes

He has one "blink"

Cind3rkickApr 18, 20191 votes

He dies to any sort of hard cc He only survives because of hos mobility

The GodkartherApr 18, 20191 votes

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He dies to any sort of hard cc

In my experience if he gets cced he'll just wait til he's free and then penta the enemy team.

420 gramsApr 18, 20191 votes

The only thing he brings is damage. Use your abilities better to win fights

The GodkartherApr 18, 20191 votes

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The only thing he brings is damage. Use your abilities better to win fights

Damage wins fights, also he goes invisible when he Qs? So there's nothing to use abilities on?

420 gramsApr 18, 20191 votes

He doesnt go invisible. Try bringing him to the practice tool and you might be able to see what his q looks like. It can be hard to see if you don't know what you're looking for

WublerdudeApr 19, 20191 votes

As a yi main, I can provide some tips on how to actually beat master yi,

1: His alpha has a 12 second cooldown at max rank, reduced by 1 second each auto attack, and 8 seconds on kill (roughly 70%)

So if you can, wait till he alpha strikes someone, then use any form of point and click cc on him.

2: Have everyone that is AP build a zhonyas, that item can screw over yi like you wouldnt believe, if he alpha strikes onto your mid laner and they use zhonyas, thats 12 seconds that yi has to either A:run away B:try to get onto someone else via flash C:meditate and wait for the target to get out of zhonyas

3:Yi sucks at team fighting for a good bit of the game, use that to your advantage and siege towers pre 25~

4:Yi can take dragon at 6-8 minutes easily, ward around then

5: (and I cant stress this one enough) IF A YI IS SOLO TAKING A TOWER WITH RAGEBLADE, DONT TRY TO 1v1/1v2! You will die

6:Pick jax

GoldsmithSmartyApr 23, 20191 votes

5: (and I cant stress this one enough) IF A YI IS SOLO TAKING A TOWER WITH RAGEBLADE, DONT TRY TO 1v1/1v2! You will die

Don't reveal my strategy man=))

I have won so many games by pushing top lane and killing people 1v1 or 1v2. People always underestimate his damage.

Jax, and many other champs can bully him hard early on. If the game stretched, Jax and even Rammus have nothing on Yi.

WublerdudeMay 2, 20191 votes

Jax, if built right, comes down to a battle of skill, if you can dodge his stun, or he can bait your alpha xD

GoldsmithSmartyMay 5, 20191 votes

If it comes to ultra late game and YI stacks his Guinsos, Jax won't be able to kill him in 1 sec during the stun, but Yi can heal back and kill him almost instantly. You should keep your alha strike available though. Early to mid game it comes to gold advantage and positioning. Jax is a beast.

what you deserveApr 18, 20191 votes

he's very strong but pretty useless without peel unless he's very very ahead

XxCoolGamerGalxXApr 23, 20191 votes

He wanted good player to respond lol

XxCoolGamerGalxXApr 18, 20191 votes

Losing to a master yi?

Bronze players [slayer-jinx-wink]

DontLewdOriannaApr 18, 20191 votes

Overpowered no, extremely unfair and toxic, yes.

GoldsmithSmartyApr 23, 20191 votes

The game is not about score. If he is 0/15 but farmed 300 minions in 30 min and has couple of assists and tower gold, he should have his items and an ability to kill whole enemy team just as much as Yi who has 15 0 score but 100 minions. (Numbers are relative) Master Yi is indeed a very strong champion. Strongest duelist in my opinion. If team lacks coordination, he is going to be a problem. The game is about skill and items. Also your only goal is not to fight, but to destroy enemies' Nexus.

In the right hands, a lot of champions seem really broken. But since the strength of a character contributes much less to the victory than a good strategy and synergy, being broken doesn't really affect the game that much.

Is Yi broken? Yes, if you build the right items.

church arsonMay 5, 20191 votes

Absolutely. He is invulnerable for too long with his Q. By the time your team can start damaging him, he has 4 of you down to half hp. Then he proceeds to get a penta with his high attack speed and attack damage.

I'm not sure if he's op or not but surely a toxic as hell champ.