You realize one annie combo can ace the whole enemy team and when she flashes there is no response to it aside from a banshees or qss and flashing away which you'd still die because tibbers is a Ferrari. Gragas's ult is so terrible now. I don't get the nerf to begin with, there was counterplay called qssing his e stun and flashing away.
Marshbouy7 votesBecause gragas -is a tank -has mobility -has more consistent CC -has a displacing ult, not a stunning ult, a DISPLACING one.
OldZileanWasBest2 votesAnnies cc is much more consistent. Gragas q is not reliable and annie needs 4 spells to get a new stun which lasts longer than grags and is really easy with the 40 % cdr from zhonyas proto and morello. Annie gets a 32% damage reduction, deals damage back to adcs with a psuedo thornmail. Protobelt for mobility or use flash because gragas doesn't e through your team randomly and get ur adc. he has to flash
Marshbouy3 votesAnnies cc is much more consistent. Gragas q is not reliable and annie needs 4 spells to get a new stun which lasts longer than grags and is really easy with the 40 % cdr from zhonyas proto and morello
it's not consistent in LCS.
dude. you are an idiot. stop QQing.
OldZileanWasBest2 votestrash kid
Penns2 votesAnnie mid still has 53-54% win rate for months now lul
Marshbouy1 votesok? winrate doesn't mean everything.
Penns2 votesBeing number 1 or close to number 1 win rate for months kinda tells you something. She even got nerfed this patch and her win rate.. increased.
Marshbouy1 votesshe's a safe pick that you can't really go wrong with. every role has a champion like that amumu/fiddle for jungle kayle top kog/jinx bot and soraka support.
the difference is that gragas has been very pick/ban in LCS.
yoshi27905 votesBecause Annie is predictable, has no mobility, is mid-ranged,....
Truly Prideful3 votesBecause they are ults used for completely different things. Gragas uses his for the displacement most of the time, not the damage. Annie needs to flash to surprise anyone and if she hits all 5 of you maybe you need to not clump against Annie.
That said, Gragas' ult is honestly more powerful because he has to tools to get picks without flash.
Herim2 votes{quoted} there was counterplay called qssing his e stun and flashing away.
Also Annie's counterplay
OldZileanWasBest1 votesI literally said that in the post
TequilaZombie1 votesAnd that's literally the problem. In Annie's case you made it sound bad, in Gragas' case you implied it's balanced.
OldZileanWasBest1 voteswtf? my point is gragas's counterplay is the same as annies yet he gets nerfed instead of her for no counterplay
Vaelentino2 votesif a gragas main cries in the middle of a rainforest and no is there to hear him, does he really make a sound?
OldZileanWasBest1 votesi hate gragas
xTropicalPenguin2 votespick lux, fuck her in laning phase by Q-Eing her anytime she tries to walk up to you to harass, she's now behind, team fights, Q her anytime she walks up and delete her, she NEEDS to walk up to do anything. It's what i've done with success. Now what i've done against gragas? nothing because i literally had no time to do so before i was dead.
ThugWalrus1 votesNerfs don't necessarily because one ability is strong, you have to look at how the champion is performing overall. Gragas is one of the most consistent and powerful junglers right now that can fill pretty much any role he's given. Annie (although annoying for lower elo) is a one-trick champion and who isn't really overperforming at the moment, thus she can have a lot of power allocated to her ult. The rest of Gragas' kit is strong enough that Riot felt it necessary to reduce the power his ult has.