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The thigh guy·May 31, 2019·2 votes·1,002 views

Anything that reduces adaptive force? Most of us agree damage is way to high. Most of us agree dodgeball is boring af No one likes being half healthed by a stray ludens No one likes to be instant killed at level 2 because “Lul me talon” An extremely large number of people are bored of this burst meta.

Yet any suggestion to reduce the damage. And it being a solution to ACTUALLY reduce damage, such as, new items that reduce adaptive force, reworks to exhaust, stripping ad and ap off items across the board, lowering cdr on items that have no business having it or hell even just reducing the rampant true damage. All these post and suggestions get downvoted into the dirt.

Is it just the situation where no one wants their power to take a hit? Even though everyone else takes a hit as well? Is it the selfish mentality of (Insert class here) is stupid and broken but my (Insert class here) isn’t because reasons, so I don’t want want to be nerfed only them.

This is actually puzzling me.

21 Comments

Pika FoxMay 31, 20196 votes

Because damage isnt too high.

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-31T14:16:19.414+0000)

Because damage isnt too high.

Level 2 talon 100-0 with ignite Draven does 1/3 hp in one auto at level 3 Lucien does 70% hp at level 2 Juggernauts entire existence Bruisers average 4fuckinghundred ad. Riven. Just her entire existence Ignite does 1/4th hp by itself You ever see any mage ult ever? Oh oh oh. How about the damage on electrocute?

But yeah. Damage isn’t that high. What a meme

letsfeedtogetherMay 31, 20193 votes

Talon always had this. Thats why he always had the highest first blood %. Draven is an early monster but no. 1/3 ? Definitely not.

Lucian is a lane bully aswell. But 70% ? Again. Just no. Ignite dosent do 1/4 even at lvl 18. Mage ults arent broken. Electrocute isnt that strong.

Yes. Damage isnt high

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

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Talon always had this. Thats why he always had the highest first blood %. Draven is an early monster but no. 1/3 ? Definitely not.

Lucian is a lane bully aswell. But 70% ? Again. Just no. Ignite dosent do 1/4 even at lvl 18. Mage ults arent broken. Electrocute isnt that strong.

Yes. Damage isnt high

Not even going to bother with you again.

letsfeedtogetherMay 31, 20192 votes

Sorry that the fact you have 0 game knowledge makes you not talk to me.

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

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Sorry that the fact you have 0 game knowledge makes you not talk to me.

More like you ignore arguments and just screech the opposite

letsfeedtogetherMay 31, 20191 votes

Because your "arguments" are based of nothing.

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

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Because your "arguments" are based of nothing.

Point proven.

letsfeedtogetherMay 31, 20191 votes

You say ignite does 1/3 of someones health lvl 18. Then you change to 1/4. Thats not yrue either. There for. Arguments based of off nothing.

Sir SaltarinMay 31, 20192 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxDsZ45tbpQ

I miss the old League of Legends in which the dmg wasn't so high

Sir SaltarinMay 31, 20191 votes

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FOR JUSTICEMay 31, 20195 votes

damage isnt actually very much higher then before, i think there was twitter post explaining that since season 3 damage hasnt changed that much, but rather defenses and snowballing. nowadays even just hitting the enemy tower gives you half a kills worth of gold, the enemy farming treats them as 2 kills up on you, camping lanes, etc.

besides, stripping everyones damage wouldnt solve anything because everyone losing damage keeps everyone at the same level just lasting slightly longer. champs like riven, renekton, and most tanks would have a field day.

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-31T14:19:17.029+0000)

damage isnt actually very much higher then before, i think there was twitter post explaining that since season 3 damage hasnt changed that much, but rather defenses and snowballing. nowadays even just hitting the enemy tower gives you half a kills worth of gold, the enemy farming treats them as 2 kills up on you, camping lanes, etc.

besides, stripping everyones damage wouldnt solve anything because everyone losing damage keeps everyone at the same level just lasting slightly longer. champs like riven, renekton, and most tanks would have a field day.

That’s the point. Tanks are actual garbage right now. They get fucked by true damage %pen, %shred %hp damage on everything, that even tho damage itself is stupidly high, they still have to deal with all this.

If you look at anything past season 4. Damage wasn’t even close to this high, or this fast.

I’ll use zed as a perfect example.

A few seasons ago, zed needed to ult, shadow, land 3 shurican, spin, auto, old Bork active and ignite to get a kill. And I definetly felt out played. He made some good plays that required him to land multiple abilities and use multiple cooldowns to kill me (as he should)

Now? Lul. Press r. Hit one shurican, spin, duskblade auto, ignite. Collect 300 gold before your ult even pops.

That’s litteraly the perfect example.

He puts in half the effort, and now gets double the result.

Pika FoxMay 31, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-31T14:26:59.433+0000)

That’s the point. Tanks are actual garbage right now. They get fucked by true damage %pen, %shred %hp damage on everything, that even tho damage itself is stupidly high, they still have to deal with all this.

If you look at anything past season 4. Damage wasn’t even close to this high, or this fast.

I’ll use zed as a perfect example.

A few seasons ago, zed needed to ult, shadow, land 3 shurican, spin, auto, old Bork active and ignite to get a kill. And I definetly felt out played. He made some good plays that required him to land multiple abilities and use multiple cooldowns to kill me (as he should)

Now? Lul. Press r. Hit one shurican, spin, duskblade auto, ignite. Collect 300 gold before your ult even pops.

That’s litteraly the perfect example.

He puts in half the effort, and now gets double the result.

If youre dying to one zed ult, ability, auto as a tank, youre playing the game horribly wrong.

The thigh guyMay 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T14:32:01.820+0000)

If youre dying to one zed ult, ability, auto as a tank, youre playing the game horribly wrong.

That’s incorrect and you know it. Assassins are one of the most forgiving classes in the game now. Their damage is so laughably high it’s not even funny.

If a current zed did now what old zeds had to do to 100-0 an adc, they kill and adc 5 times over. But you know. Damage totally hasn't skyrocketed.

Pika FoxMay 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T14:39:01.170+0000)

That’s incorrect and you know it. Assassins are one of the most forgiving classes in the game now. Their damage is so laughably high it’s not even funny.

If a current zed did now what old zeds had to do to 100-0 an adc, they kill and adc 5 times over. But you know. Damage totally hasn't skyrocketed.

Old zeds could just kill ADCs all the same, botrk zed didnt exactly do 0 damage.

And again, ill repeat, if youre a tank that is dying to 1 zed rotation, youre playing your champion wrong. Full stop. If i can be behind on leona with barely any AR and only take 25% of my HP from R, 3Q, 2E, on a supports gold income, then you can survive as any other tank.

Whyskered WyrmMay 31, 20191 votes

FINALLY! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS HOW HORRIBLE SNOWBALLING FEELS.

Jesus. thankyou

Sir SaltarinMay 31, 20194 votes

There's no need to nerf dmg, let me try to explain my point of view in a civil way that I hope you'll apreciate:

What should be done is to tune down the gold income, not only the passive gold has been increased over seasons but now we also have the tower plates to snowball even more

I also remember when jungle camps didn't give that much gold/exp but their respawners used to be way shorter so you decided to either afk farm or gank, but the jng that ganked non stop would go down in level

I agree with part of what you feel but I do think that you focus on the wrong aspects of what causes it:

The problem is not that X champ wiht Z items deals Y dmg, it's that they reach that point too early

CrazyMonkeyCZMay 31, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-31T15:09:15.216+0000)

There's no need to nerf dmg, let me try to explain my point of view in a civil way that I hope you'll apreciate:

What should be done is to tune down the gold income, not only the passive gold has been increased over seasons but now we also have the tower plates to snowball even more

I also remember when jungle camps didn't give that much gold/exp but their respawners used to be way shorter so you decided to either afk farm or gank, but the jng that ganked non stop would go down in level

I agree with part of what you feel but I do think that you focus on the wrong aspects of what causes it:

The problem is not that X champ wiht Z items deals Y dmg, it's that they reach that point too early

Why can I upvote only one time...

Pika FoxMay 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO7FcELA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-31T15:09:15.216+0000)

There's no need to nerf dmg, let me try to explain my point of view in a civil way that I hope you'll apreciate:

What should be done is to tune down the gold income, not only the passive gold has been increased over seasons but now we also have the tower plates to snowball even more

I also remember when jungle camps didn't give that much gold/exp but their respawners used to be way shorter so you decided to either afk farm or gank, but the jng that ganked non stop would go down in level

I agree with part of what you feel but I do think that you focus on the wrong aspects of what causes it:

The problem is not that X champ wiht Z items deals Y dmg, it's that they reach that point too early

Wouldnt work well, given riot and league players explicitly want game times to move faster, so gold income being higher is one of the things that pretty much has to exist in a world with lower game times if late game champs want to be a thing.

IronyAndSublimeMay 31, 20191 votes

I don't know how bad you have to be at the game to manage to die to Talon at low elo that early. Probably the most straightforward assassin you'll ever get.

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