Hashinshin explains why conqueror exists in the first place

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO2BZQIJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-23T15:47:28.665+0000)

Bramble is one of the worst items to get on most tanks. The only thing it is great for is grievous wounds. Outside of that, any of the top 20 fighters will kill you with or without conqueror.

His focus is centered around the 1v1 lane too much. If people want ADC's to have more agency over the game, then they will optimally need a tank and an enchanter. Same goes for mid lane mages.

When every role is dominated by fighters, divers, mages, and assassins this creates a meta where you cant coordinate a come back when behind. Rather than zoning with your tank to face check while you ward everything back up, you just die in less than a second over and over until the game is over. Unless the enemy team is stupid enough to get caught first. But winning off of idiot getting blown up while you defended your base with no inhibs for 50 minutes doesn't feel rewarding. It still feels like a punishment even after a win.

I don't want ADCs to have more agency. I still remember the tank, adc ardent meta. I don't want it back at all... Dmg is a bit high tho at the moment so tanks might need individual buffs and adc should get reworked as a class I think. More like mf, lucian or ezreal that use a lot of both autos and abilities and not just rely on auto-attacks.

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO2BZQIJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-23T15:47:28.665+0000)

Bramble is one of the worst items to get on most tanks. The only thing it is great for is grievous wounds. Outside of that, any of the top 20 fighters will kill you with or without conqueror.

His focus is centered around the 1v1 lane too much. If people want ADC's to have more agency over the game, then they will optimally need a tank and an enchanter. Same goes for mid lane mages.

When every role is dominated by fighters, divers, mages, and assassins this creates a meta where you cant coordinate a come back when behind. Rather than zoning with your tank to face check while you ward everything back up, you just die in less than a second over and over until the game is over. Unless the enemy team is stupid enough to get caught first. But winning off of idiot getting blown up while you defended your base with no inhibs for 50 minutes doesn't feel rewarding. It still feels like a punishment even after a win.

Being a tank gives you a unique ability to put down vision and coordinate with your team to enable you a way back into the game through superior strategy. Unfortunately, you can't be a tank in this meta or you lose more often than you win so RIP

Well said. This is what League should be. A game about skill and strategy and teamwork. Not who can push R faster. [sg-kiko]

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO2BZQIJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-23T15:36:18.303+0000)

Hes a bit late, many of us myself included have been saying this for ages now. ADC sustain to high > Thornmail/bramble reworked > fucked AA bruisers in lane

but lets not forget, him stirring up reddit was a major cause of conqueror getting added

Boards seem to have a bad memory problem, hopefully this vid will make them remember.

Oh wait they'll just spam downvote and say CONQUEROR OP TANKS ARE WEAK GUYS DELETE CONQUEROR and of course dont nerf anything that makes tanks op so we can go back to 6+ tanks per game.

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RO2BZQIJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-23T15:36:18.303+0000)

Hes a bit late, many of us myself included have been saying this for ages now. ADC sustain to high > Thornmail/bramble reworked > fucked AA bruisers in lane

but lets not forget, him stirring up reddit was a major cause of conqueror getting added

I mean to be fair, the game was in an even worse place prior to conqueror than it is now. Start of season 8 was horrible.

The game needed to be changed, conqueror just wasn't a solution anyone wanted or asked for. Prior to conqueror being unveiled, everyone assumed the "bruiser keystone" was a revamped fervor for battle.