Stop complaining about Veigar, he has SO much counterplay.

Squidblimp··6 votes·663 views

It's really stupid that people are complaing about Veigar. Veigar has SO much counterplay, whether it's mechanical, itemization, or even just game strategy. Let me list all of the counterplay, and there is a LOT:

  1. Dodge the stun, it takes a whole 0.5 seconds to complete. You can even walk in inside it if you can't get outside, and EASILY dodge his W that takes 1.25 seconds to complete. If dodging such telegraphed abilities is difficult, then you need to practice this game more.

  2. Buy Boots to help you dodge the stun better if you just can't dodge it.

  3. Buy tier 2 Boots to help to dodge the stun even better.

  4. Buy Merc Treads if you just CANNOT dodge the stun, because then you can literally walk away after his stun before his W finishes casting, provided the stun isn't already level 3 or so.

  5. Buy Banshee's Veil. This way, you can LITERALLY walk through his stun, and you won't even get trapped inside! It also completely negates his ultimate, and the MR reduces his burst too.

  6. Save your dash or mobility if you have any for dodging the stun if you really just can't avoid it.

  7. Buy QSS so you can move after being hit by the stun, easily walking away from his W. You can also escape from inside this way.

  8. Buy Zhonya's so that you can dodge his ultimate. Seriously. If you time it right, his ult won't do ANY damage and it still goes on cooldown. It's slow-moving too, so it's easy to time.

  9. Abuse Veigar's terrible laning. Before Veigar gets mana regen items, he can EITHER: Q farm, OR poke you. He cannot do both unless you let him hit you through his minions that he is farming. If he is properly Q farming, he won't even have mana to spare to assist in jungler ganks or use any other abilities besides Q.

  10. Dive Veigar after he uses his stun and then he has nothing to say about it besides dying.

8 Comments

Kaelnor3 votes

What makes it so funny is that the majority of the popular mid lane picks (Ahri Lux Xerath Zed Yasuo Diana ) make Veigar look dumpster. It's even laughable how easy it is to kill Veigar with any that has a gap closer and can bait out the E, or has higher damage and can CC him into an easy kill.

Squidblimp2 votes

A good Veigar will stun an Ahri by predicting her ult or stun Zed as soon as he appears behind him from his ult, and maybe Yasuo during his dashes too. I find that Veigar is actually pretty good against champions with predictable gapclosers IF the Veigar is skilled. Veigar is also hard to tower dive if he saves his E, since you're forced to stay under tower for 3 seconds if you get trapped, even just inside it. Veigar can also bully Diana early.

However, it's also very easy to shove Veigar in and make him farm under tower, which early game he has a hard time doing since he has such high mana costs. He will miss a lot of Q farm this way. You can also zone him with poke, though Veigar's Q range can usually pick up a few minions. Basically, you can harass him without him harassing back. If you miss your harass and go even with Veigar, you've lost lane. You have to go aggressive. Veigar wants a passive lane until level 8 or so, where he'll demolish you if you let him farm up earlier.

Kaelnor1 votes

yeah that is true, but those guys can easily hurt veigar all the same. Veigar is like Lux, if you catch him it's over, he can't do much if any melee or strong short ranged champ in his face.

Squidblimp2 votes

Yeah. I actually kind of like Veigar now TBH. I used to hate what they did to his stun, but now he can outplay opponents hard and scale faster. Also I love how you can buy Rylai's to enable your combo, since the Rylai's slow got buffed.

Kaelnor1 votes

Yeah it's the same feeling I get from Fiora when I play top. Not so OP, but still strong. I wish people would play with or against Fiora more to understand her.

Squidblimp1 votes

I feel like Fiora is a little overtuned right now, but not OP.

Fiveofswords3 votes

theres a lot of talk about his stun but as the op said...you really never have to get stunned at all.

Squidblimp1 votes

Exactly. And look, I'm getting downvoted, LOL. Please upvote this if possible.

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