Is black cleaver overloaded

LilxPaprika··1 votes·259 views

should a penetration item come with no tradeoffs? like item 3001 cost 2350 gold, it can't really have too much going for it at that price range unless its super gold efficient even then, we're not talking about a wide range of stats just 3, ap mr, and pen. Black cleaver has 5 with hp, ad, pen, cdr and movement speed.

I love black cleaver as much as anyone. Its extremely powerful. try it on skarner it works wonders with his q. try it with: item 3006 item 3071 item 1402item 3065item 3742item 3512

I just feel like it doesn't follow riot's policy of having items with too many stats. Say I'd ask for 10% cdr on item 3053 with just 400/300 hp, people would say that the item is offering too much and that's on a 2700 gold item. meanwhile blackcleaver is just sitting there with so much going for it.

posted this too which could be more reasonable for black cleaver. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7egKsKMY-black-cleaver-contemplations

I'm not even mad at black cleaver, I'm just mad that theres a policy that isn't applied throughout and that this practice is from a purely logical point of view not conducive of balance.

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VictoryDance961 votes

item 3078 called and talked about how it offers way more stats...

LilxPaprika1 votes

does it though? it offers a lot of the same type of stats. a lot at low values also. crit ad, as, can all fall under one roof.

that said it has, 1)ms, 2)dmg(crit,as,ad), 3)hp/mana as one since so little 4)and i'd put spellblade and cdr under one as well. thats 4 for 3800 gold black cleaver has 4 for 3500 gold. Actually blackcleaver has 5 since the penetration isn't just for you its for team mates as well. which is uniquely powerful and why all such items are typically kept at low price point like item 3105 item 3110 item 3001 .

Ðelofasht1 votes

Cleaver's gold to value in practice is very balanced though. By the time you get it in lane laning should be almost over, and in teamfights the stats help with focusing a single target and hopefully living long enough to land a couple auto attacks. So no, I feel it is about perfect as an item, I wish Wit's End was nearly as useful of a buy.

LilxPaprika1 votes

By the time you get it in lane laning should be almost over

and? sounds like a plus to me. phage and warhammer are good items to sit on and can help you be a bully in lane, wave clear and with cdr and ms, hopefully have your spell up to dodge ganks.

the stats help with focusing a single target

exactly its great at shreading front line which is often times to best thing to do in team fights. A weak frontline spells disaster and little peel. Its often difficult for enemy front line to be on same page as back line, so if they hesitate during engage, it'll be too late and they'll hardly have any armor left.

plus the stats can help vs multiple targets if you have aoe ad spells.Garen Khazix Talon Pantheon JarvanIV RivenIllaoi Darius Renekton MonkeyKing + item 3077 in next to no time especially on champions with auto resets.

the stats help with focusing a single target and hopefully living long enough to land a couple auto attacks.

isn't that a good thing? the hp helps you live long enough to apply said debuff, even more synergy.

any item early game will have meh performance on its own that isn't unique to black cleaver.

come mid game and you have core items, its a whole different story too as there is literally no drawbacks.

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