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Middle being the only role with consistent agency turns climbing mid elo into a shit show

Yenn·2/19/2020, 8:13:14 AM·1 votes·2,044 views

This is a major issue, because if you want to consistently have impact over the game without duo queuing, you need to play mid lane.

Jungle is too reliant on all lanes performing well. If your lanes are under-performing or pick champions that don't ever have priority, you get invaded by the enemy jungle and lanes 24/7 and essentially can't play the game, while your ability to secure your secondary win condition (objectives) is 100% tied to your lanes.

ADC is too reliant on the support to perform well. If your support is auto-filled, doesn't know the match up, or picks a champion with no synergy, they can completely throw the lane at level 2, and you spend the rest of the game being dove repeatedly.

Support is too reliant on the ADC to perform well, for the same reason as support, but worse. A good support player can leave the lane and roam if the ADC isn't playing well, but an ADC player is shit out of luck if they're in a losing lane against a hard engage support.

Top is top. By the time it's in a position to do something, the game has already been decided by the other lanes, and the balance in this lane is a total shit show where counter picks dictate your ability to win or lose.

Middle is the only lane that can function on its own. As a result, everyone wants to play it, and you end up getting your secondary role more often than not. This makes it incredibly hard to carry lanes, because no matter what your secondary role is, it doesn't have the same potential as mid lane.

Ideally, jungle should be given back the ability to function without being completely reliant on their team playing well, or top lane should be completely re-balanced so it snowballs less in exchange for having more relevance to the game.

Having to rely on a coin flip to get the role, and then another coin flip on your team mates if you don't win the first coin flip, makes climbing in ranked incredibly frustrating.

11 Comments

Jng Account2/19/2020, 8:24:40 AM5 votes

Yet so many smurfs and "big dick, 30th acc in challanger from bronze" players are jnglers.

You are talking about mid as lane that stands on its own, that isnt influenced by other. Newsflash. They are as relientent on jnglers as jnglers are on them. Sure they can roam bot, will that change botlane going 2/10? Hardly.

Also, top is, either pick champ that is valuable outside of top or absolutely destroy your opponent, so if you are better, or as you say, you want to carry, you have to be better player and beat your opponent.

Good toplaners climb Good jnglers climb Good midlaners climb Good adcs climb Good supports climb

Salty hardstuck players who arent willing to improve are crying...

Bagebus2/19/2020, 9:25:07 AM1 votes

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This is a major issue, because if you want to consistently have impact over the game without duo queuing, you need to play mid lane.

Jungle is too reliant on all lanes performing well. If your lanes are under-performing or pick champions that don't ever have priority, you get invaded by the enemy jungle and lanes 24/7 and essentially can't play the game, while your ability to secure your secondary win condition (objectives) is 100% tied to your lanes.

ADC is too reliant on the support to perform well. If your support is auto-filled, doesn't know the match up, or picks a champion with no synergy, they can completely throw the lane at level 2, and you spend the rest of the game being dove repeatedly.

Support is too reliant on the ADC to perform well, for the same reason as support, but worse. A good support player can leave the lane and roam if the ADC isn't playing well, but an ADC player is shit out of luck if they're in a losing lane against a hard engage support.

Top is top. By the time it's in a position to do something, the game has already been decided by the other lanes, and the balance in this lane is a total shit show where counter picks dictate your ability to win or lose.

Middle is the only lane that can function on its own. As a result, everyone wants to play it, and you end up getting your secondary role more often than not. This makes it incredibly hard to carry lanes, because no matter what your secondary role is, it doesn't have the same potential as mid lane.

Ideally, jungle should be given back the ability to function without being completely reliant on their team playing well, or top lane should be completely re-balanced so it snowballs less in exchange for having more relevance to the game.

Having to rely on a coin flip to get the role, and then another coin flip on your team mates if you don't win the first coin flip, makes climbing in ranked incredibly frustrating.

I think that feel probably comes from the fact that You are best at MId (just guessing) I play alot of support and personally I used to love top, but always felt that My bot was always feeding, not warding, not making any contest for Drag, Ext. Playing support allowed Me to usually insure E. bot wasn't fed and thus any one Lane feeding one Enemy laner was better than doing good or Ok at Top and having Fed bot lane to deal with. I suck at ADC like should be bared from the Roll status so Being made ADC is like freelo for the Enemy team. So IMO ADC is the least impactful roll in the game (at least if I'm playing it) but then My buddy is an ADC main and it sometimes feels like He puts the team on his back and carries us to victory. Though I think Mid is in a strong spot if Mid takes advantage of Proper roaming then it can turn a tide, but if it's like some games I've had where MId is coming down to bot and were way ahead and the jungler already is camping us. It usually ended with Mid getting nothing but loss of XP and gold from leaving lane and In one game Cost us 2 mid towers cause the Player just kept roaming and getting nothing roaming and getting nothing then returning to lane to die. Playing Jungle is Probably the most affected roll when it comes to counter picking and individual Play style. Like if you pick MasterYi and the Enemy goes Lee Sin, some of the biggest factors are How aggressive is the Lee's style. I've had Lee's that just passively farm minions dont gank and don't invade that game went smooth and it didn't feel like there was any jungle pressure. Forward to like 3 game from then, guy goes Lee jungle, Invades takes My buffs and camps, Wards and comes for Me in MY jungle, Seems to be in every lane/ always there to Kill Me if I decide to gank. Jungle also require more map awareness and its basically your job to know where the enemy jungle (though every one should pay attention to this). Most importantly figuing out how to apply pressure in other wise shitty situations. It sucks when all you can do is farm and hope Your lanes stop inting.

I think working on roll diversity and having three solid lanes will greatly improve any ones chance to do better along with knowing 4 different champs for those rolls as one Tricking is hard specially if a counter pick is Popular in the meta. If I love a champ I often learn to play what shits on them to better understand their strengths and weakness and then usually figure out what they can't fight so that If I want Champ A but they Pick B then I just play C. the other thing is just play the unfavorable matches to learn how to survive it and at least negate feeding as much as possible. I will often have My friends specially those of a higher Rank than Me to Duel in one vs one's and point out out what im doing wrong what they look to take advantage of. I think in solo Que people are quick to abandon loosing lanes, god forbid you died two times top you are now dead to the jungler.

Sorry for the Long post hope anything I said can be found useful to someone.

2gudaiya2/19/2020, 11:49:25 AM1 votes

i just go top and try to leave the lane legendary. generally works.

C9 Has No Balls2/19/2020, 2:31:32 PM1 votes

Idek what people are talking about. Faker literally has a 48% wr in masters. I personally know multi season challengers who are struggling or stuck in diamond on their mains. I know mid diamond who can't win games reliably in gold elo. yeah dude just be a good player and you'll climb 100%. XD?