I feel like Jhin is the new Ezreal
Only instead of breaking balanced items, he breaks already broken items.
Only instead of breaking balanced items, he breaks already broken items.
Only difference is Ezreal gets his ass nerfed everytime he becomes popular. Jhin has been the best AD for close to a month and Riot thinks its fine that he sits at 53% win rate and 30% pick rate.
I still thinking that they still balance thing around pro no matter how we ask. Ezreal when meta is a world adc competitive so they will surely nerfed him. When jhin is in meta, pro would play him as AD caster utility (which in the actual one, he's played as a regular adc so riot wouldn't nerf him because pro lcs doesn't abuse that style). Remember twitch? He was a monster for several month or year but riot didn't nerf him because he was good only in soloq.
Not like Ez still sits above Jhin in pickrate as second highest with over 30% while also beeing a staple in pro since forever despite all nerfs.
Also, where are you're jhin stats from I see ~25% pick and barly over 50% win for him (https://euw.op.gg/champion/jhin/statistics/bot )
I dislike Marathon-Man as much as the next, but he's not as broken based on statistics, and EZ definitly is not a saint either...
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Not like Ez still sits above Jhin in pickrate as second highest with over 30% while also beeing a staple in pro since forever despite all nerfs.
Also, where are you're jhin stats from I see ~25% pick and barly over 50% win for him (https://euw.op.gg/champion/jhin/statistics/bot )
I dislike Marathon-Man as much as the next, but he's not as broken based on statistics, and EZ definitly is not a saint either...
i dont really dislike jhin. pretty much my 3rd fav adc. With that said i think he's too good compared to everyone else except maybe Kaisa and MF.
Ez sits below 50% if i remember correctly idk on pro play tho.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Ezreal/ADC/
take pickrate AND winrate if u wanna use stat.
wait which balanced item was broken by ezreal Runeglave got nerfed then replaced Duskblade on ranged champions got abused by many champions klepto was broken Iceborn used to outcrowd other tank items
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wait which balanced item was broken by ezreal Runeglave got nerfed then replaced Duskblade on ranged champion got abused by many champions klepto was broken Iceborn used to outcrowd other tank items
??
Outside of Duskblade and Klepto, the others were not that big od a deal until a select few champs touched them, such as Ezreal, or more specifically, his spammable ranged on-hit proc'ing Q poke.
But then again, last time I heard from the upcoming Ezreal rework, I heard that they plan to NOT touch his Q, which is always a good idea I suppose... If the goal is to completely miss the point of rework and to not address anything.
Yea, I guess nobody remembers the "pick tank rush
and proced to do the job of a tank and a bruiser at the same time"
And Runeglave until its nerf was legit forcing a mage jungle meta except fiddlesticks who couldn't use it
You know why at that time Ezreal built runeglave and ap items instead of AD sheen+AD items? why did he do that, just for fun? No because it was busted, so he picked Runeglave and smite
Riot fixed it by nerfing runeglave which nerfed AP junglers that dominated the meta And then Ezreal didn't pick it anymore
Yea, I guess nobody remembers the "pick tank rush
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and proced to do the job of a tank and a bruiser at the same time"
And Runeglave until its nerf was legit forcing a mage jungle meta except fiddlesticks who couldn't use it
You know why at that time Ezreal built runeglave and ap items instead of AD sheen+AD items? why did he do that, just for fun? No because it was busted
There is a difference between something being busted, something being busted on a champ, and something being even more busted than it already is on a champ.
Ezreal is a big deal because he constantly does either of the latter 2.
and something being even more busted than it already is on a champ.
If this was true Ezreal would have kept building Runeglave after its nerf he did not
Ezreal is a big deal because he constantly does either of the latter 2.
very true for klepto but not for any other item at least from my mind
No other item that Ezreal abused forced Riot to directly nerf Ezreal except kleptomancy
Iceborn had other itterations befor that, where it was basically an Ezreal only item. There was that short period after some changes to iceborn, and it wasn't just iceborn, there also was grsp beeing very strong at the time, sunfire beeing definitly very strong at the time, and the few that abused the items were pretty strong on their own(fizz and ekko got heavy nerfs to their tank playstyle after that and poppy also got nerfed alot since then, and all of them have a naturall high synergie with iceborn so it beeing used on them should be totally fine)
And ever since the iceborn nerfs after that, i hardly ever see it on anyone but ez and malph, and even malph often goes trinity instead...
Runglaive wasn't that strong, and ap junglers didn't dominate the meta, where was still plenty of grags, seju, lee and co, and the only two ap-junglers that were top tier were elise and Nida, which both stayed top tier after that because it wasn't becuase runglaive was so strong, but becuase litterally ANYTHING was better than the previous ap jungle item qhich those two as the basically only pure jungle APs were balance around. And the reason why Ez abused it was because it allowed him to go AP, which is way stronger mid-late than ad-ez, but sucks till he gets there since he lacks waveclear and just gets shoved in and has a hard time farming up his core items. Runeglaive gave him a really cheap core item that gave aoe for better waveclear, the ap-scaleing sheenproc he so desperatly wants aswell as enough mana sustain. It allowed AP ez to come online way fater than befor, and his ap built is not balance for that. Befor, he'd get a mana item+lichbane befor he really was any usefull, and he still had no waveclear. With runeglaive, he had a cheap option that was mana+lichbane and even added some waveclear... Also, if the item was that strong, other midlaners would have used it aswell, but it was only EZ because of how huge his Q synergiesed with it. And they didn't just nerf it, they removed 3 mechanics that all were mostly abused by ez. If they just nerfed the numbers, Ez woiuld either have used it regardless, or it would have been so weak that ap-jungler were dead for good.
And again, after runglaive got nerfed for EZ, it was in such a bad spot that it got removed and replaced...
Then there was that biggining of blue ez with spirit of the elder lizard in S3(combined with iceborn which at the time wasn't used by anyone else...)
EZ breaks one-time onhits since forever and always has been somewhat problematic, with high presence in pro every season and basically a conistent 25%+ pickrate in solo.
runeglave wasn't that strong
ok
we didn't play the same game then
And again, after runglaive got nerfed for EZ
it fucking didn't, watch the balance changes of that time to see how much nerf pre-rework eve nidalee and elise were getting in the jungle All AP junglers of that time (that weren't tanks) were busted af except fiddle because he couldn't use that item
as i said again
WHY DID EZREAL BOTHER BUILDING RUNEGLAVE AND AP INSTEAD OF OTHER AD SHEEN+AD ITEMS?????????
Bork, ranged Steraks, reworked Seraph’s. All abused by Ezreal to the point of nerfs.
wait which balanced item was broken by ezreal Runeglave got nerfed then replaced Duskblade on ranged champion got abused by many champions klepto was broken Iceborn used to outcrowd other tank items
??
spirit of the elder lizard, also that time that they changed the size of the iceborne circle to scale with armor was a nerf to specifically ezreal using that item and no one else, runeglaive got nerfed because of ezreal and then replaced because they couldnt make it good enough for people that actually should use it without making ezreal ridiculously op, and klepto was usable only on like 5 champs, 3 of which it was decent on(illaoi,nasus,fiora) and 2 that were broken with it(gp, whose q is the same as ezreals in terms of breaking things, at least pre rework, and ezreal)
you're right about spirit of the elder lizard but at that time jungle items could have been built by anyone
and EVERYONE in EVERY ROLE built jungle items
also nasus had 53% win rate when klepto was broken btw klepto was a problem on more than one champ
and it was broken on Sona which forced riot to nerf Sona
you're right about spirit of the elder lizard but at that time jungle items could have been built by anyone
and EVERYONE in EVERY ROLE built jungle items
also nasus had 53% win rate when klepto was broken btw klepto was a problem on more than one champ
and it was broken on Sona which forced riot to nerf Sona
nasus had a 53% wr because second wind meant no one could ever force him out of lane, that was the time i literally played every tank mid because it was hilarious af that they could outsustain every other mid, also it was nerfed much harder for ranged charachters
but i mean yea he didnt get many items literally by himself (most champs havent gotten any items nerfed only because of them), but look at what groups of champions got items nerfed because of them:
runic echoes:AP junglers... and ezreal iceborne:tanks,bulky assasins... and ezreal duskblade:AD assasins... and ezreal bork:ADCs... including ezreal seraphs:mages... and ezreal(gogo double tear)
so to sum up he was able to be a part of the problem about items meant for AP junglers,AD assasins,tanks,ADCs and mages. is there any champ that has been in so many groups that got items nerfed, and by group i mean ezreal was just kinda there with all the other champs that have no similarities to him
also imagine if they buffed muramana so it wouldnt suck on everyone else. how good would it be on ez?
wait which balanced item was broken by ezreal Runeglave got nerfed then replaced Duskblade on ranged champions got abused by many champions klepto was broken Iceborn used to outcrowd other tank items
??
Even redbuff got nerfed.
Don't worry, ezreal will find a way to break things harder eventually. I think the recent trend is just the balance team catching things ezreal will break faster because of ptsd.
and otherwise usless runes...
He has a 51% wr, I thought he would be absolutely busted but it seems its just the boards finding a new circlejerk, there's a reason no one takes the boards seriously, not even riot.
A viable pick is not an overpowered champion.
Again with this Ezreal shit, yes I play a lot of Ezreal and I have been since his release but seriously apart from the Lizard jungle item in season 3 what actually balanced items was he solely responsible for ? Every other item was abused by at least 3 other champions (runeglaive) if not an entire fucking class at that time (iceborn).
Jhin on the other hand is problematic because of his passive and the way his kit works so it's much harder to balance than Ezreal proccing on hit effects.
oh and about jhin, honestly stormrazor sounds like someone was challenged on the spot to make an item taylor made to be used by him, it seems impossible to overlook how good this item synergizes with him in every way. (disclaimer: i like both ez and jhin, and actually think ez's ability to use pretty much any item is really fun)
If a champion is abusing already busted items, those items are a severe problem, and probably not the champion. So Jhin abusing already OP items means the items just synergize extremely well with his kit, and the items need to be nerfed to hell.
The opposite is true with Ezreal - his kit has elements in it that are unhealthy for aspects of the game, so his breaking of balanced items that work fine for literally everyone else means his kit has the problem, not the item.
In the Jhin scenario, he's fine when he's not abusing items - the items need to be nerfed. In the Ezreal scenario, the items are fine when Ezreal isn't using them - Ezreal needed to be nerfed. Unfortunately, Riot's response in the Jhin scenario will probably be to nerf the hell out of Jhin and leave the items untouched, and then nerf the items in Preseason once they admit how cancerous they are, leaving Jhin in the gutter. Their response in the Ezreal scenario is to always nerf the items so Ezreal can't abuse them, which basically makes the items horrible picks on anyone who isn't Ezreal. Those items will probably be total garbage once Ezreal gets his minor VGU and they actually address the unhealthy parts of his kit.