Support Grades Still Very Skewed

Vanjie·Aug 23, 2016·7 votes·556 views

I don't' understand how a support can go a score 2/1/14 and only get an A+. I don't understand how a support can go 3/2/24 and get an A+. I get assists for my work. I have the most wards down on the map. I play the right champions for my team comp. I save many player's lives . . . . and I get an A+ but my ADC who is behind, only has the third most kills, and is toxic . . . . gets an S. It's ridiculous. RIot games, are you purposely setting it to where support mains do not get key fragments or chests?

I don't understand how I am doing EVERYTHING right and still receive only an A+ and the toxic players in my group who are behind, get an S. Your grading system for supports MAKES NO SENSE. No wonder no one plays supports. Riot grades their role horribly.

11 Comments

AwesomeChadAug 23, 20161 votes

I have a similar dilemma playing ADC/Marksman. Doing extremely well/having high KDA only yields me an -S/+A . Seems like the team basically has to funnel all their resources onto me in order to get that S/+S

I hate my ADCAug 23, 20161 votes

I agree wholeheartedly with this. In order to get an S, the support actually needs to play badly using a build that doesn't benefit his team but only himself.

Janna is probably the perfect example here.

Taking over lower your grade because you will deal less damage to champions and towers.
Shielding yourself to attack people over your ADC increase your grade as you are dealing more damage to champions/towers that way even if it's less beneficial overall.
Spamming your Tornadoes increase your grade because... more damage to champions... even if you aren't using the ability intelligently.
Using your ult to heal rather than to peel/disengage/control give you a higher grade... more healing to champions.

The grade system is pure garbage and non-representative. It's already lame enough that we have to deal with chests being linked to that system but for champion masteries to also be linked to it... that's just a kick in the quad. Dying barely punish, if even punish at all, when it comes to the grade and a perfect KDA with 80% contribution will still net you an A+ if you didn't kill enough CS and pewpewd enough. Meanwhile, that Yasuo with 15 death got an S- because he padded his numbers and CS even if it meant suiciding every single time and being useless to the team.

VanjieAug 23, 20161 votes

I know. There is a reason I always get chests, key fragments and have a high mastery on my main Karma . . . . because she can do damage while still supporting. It's ridiculous. I play Shen Support and do really well . . . . I play Soraka . . . .support and do really well . . . . to get an A+ and when I play Karma or Sona . . . . I always get an S or S-. I know what you mean now.

I hate my ADCAug 23, 20161 votes

Yeah I get a lot of S or S- with Sona too because of the full AP support build item 3020 item 3100 item 3089 item 3174 item 2301 At least it's a legit build for Sona. Still, annoys me that if you dare stray away from the AP scaling build into more supportive items like: item 3190 item 3060 item 3504 item 3222 item 3050 You basically lower your grade because you deal less damage and heal less.

Mysticman89Aug 23, 20162 votes

I basically always get S- or higher in my ranked janna games, and I always use the coin line (and as a side effect, I almost always shield my adc and let them do the poking). I also essentially never poke with my q, and rarely channel my ult.

I feel like the system is probably smarter than you're giving it credit for.

WhiperSnapersAug 23, 20161 votes

Yeah, supports have been neglected so much this season. Sure the recent support patch was nice, but it hardly scratched the surface of what needs to be fixed. I like that they looked into fixing the grading system for supports, but a large part of what supports do just simply isnt taken into consideration: Braum what % of your deaths were you sacrificing yourself to save a teamate? Blitzcrank Thresh How well did you zone off the enemy from CS? Janna how many fights did you disengage? The list of ways that supports impact the game (that aren't considered stats) goes on...

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 23, 20161 votes

last game as Morgana support i got S+ but i went 7-5-26 and my build was item 3092 item 2045 item 3174 item 3116 item 3157 item 3111 it finally let me unlock lvl 7 mastery. but i had a game as Morgana were i went 2-3-10 got an A, 7-6-12 A-, 7-2-17 A+, 2-6-26 A+ , 5-4-19 A+ so i have no clue... go figure.

SeenanAug 23, 20161 votes

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last game as support i got S+ but i went 7-5-26 and my build was it finally let me unlock lvl 7 mastery. but i had a game as were i went 2-3-10 got an A, 7-6-12 A-, 7-2-17 A+, 2-6-26 A+ , 5-4-19 A+ so i have no clue... go figure.

Maybe die less?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 23, 20161 votes

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Maybe die less?

lol die less? do u not see the KDAs 2-3-10 2-6-26 5-4-19 7-2-17 lol die less ok

I hate my ADCAug 23, 20161 votes

Number of deaths barely have any impact on the grade, if it even has any impact at all.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 23, 20161 votes

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Number of deaths barely have any impact on the grade, if it even has any impact at all.

its over all kda. cs. wards (placed, bought and destroyed) some what damage dealt, if you help with objectives and how high your kill % is.

but i was told to die less with with my KDAs listed above. lol man i feed so hard