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More reliable CC
Offensively yes,but they both have poor pick potential compared to most supports,defensively brands q is faster.
that can hit multiple enemies and isn't minion-blockable?
is also soft cc(immobilization),and half the duration for a large portion of the game.
The ability to check bushes without face-checking them, using her seeds?
Unfortunately it's a big issue for both of them,as her facechecking range short enough for it to be rather ineffective against most ambushes,brand can still scare enemies with a longer range w,but that isn't too effective either.
Minions that can zone enemies and also proc Liandry's and Rylai's without further expending mana?
So does brand's passive,and he doesn't need to auto attack to make use of that.
An ultimate that knocks up enemies and will damage everyone in its range rather than relying on RNG bounces?
Yes in all out fights her ult is stronger,brand is stronger in skrimshes,and it's not entirely RNG,as you just need to make use of your passive.
I mean honestly the only similarity is that both of them are squishy mages and both scale better with magic penetration than with flat AP. Otherwise they bring different things to the table.
Well most people seem to obsess with zyra's damage,if you're not one of those,nami is better in every way(though she's rather subpar herself,unlike brand).
Brand brings more damage, sure. But that's all he brings (aside from his situational Q stun). Zyra brings more utility and less damage. She sort of fits between a Brand/Vel/Annie kill lane and a Janna disengage lane.
Zyra isn't disengage,zyra is counter-engage,there's a big difference and it is essentially why zyra is dead for competitive+high elo play.
She could be stronger, but Brand could also be weaker in a support role. I'd be surprised if they don't make some changes to him in that capacity.
Could he really?
Would it really make sense to nerf a champion who doesn't seem to be a problem in competitive nor in higher elos?
I mean on one hand you see all these "mundo is fine,you just need to git gud and itemize properly" threads,but in cases like brand where it's obvious he has weaknesses and that good players don't fear him too much(he's strong,but not more than that),suddenly we ask for nerfs?
Yes,their lategame is pretty different,but they have different strengths and weaknesses in there,but as far as laning goes(which is crucial for a support),brand has bigger range,better mana costs,higher base damages,higher base stats,more reliable poke and scarier defensive abilities,meaning he is a lot stronger both offensively and defensively,and since he doesn't fall late either,creates a much stronger support(who still has some issues).
Anyway, no need to be a elo snob. But I guess it worked in that it baited a response from me.
I love how people complain about credentials,I've seen lower elos tell so many wild stories about the state of zyra,they are pretty much never right,meanwhile the higher elos are generally right(for example,while people were busy suspecting zyra might be seen in worlds due to her buffs,I said that hell would freeze over first),I simply understand the flow of bot lane better than you(and so do my friends) and know how to both make use of weaknesses and strengths better,people should really start treating experience and knowledge as something which carries weight.