They are burying Pyke.

Illabethe··6 votes·2,288 views

I haven't played Pyke since they made him single target, not able to jung/mid, but;

The nerfs they are putting in tomorrow make 0 sense in the actual framework of keeping him a viable champion.

So...... they buffed the hell out of his R damage and R income,......

But the SOLUTION is to take the only champion who cannot gain HP...... and reduce his HP by MORE than the already nerf?

Let me spell this out: Pyke according to the next nerf, is

  1. Going to be forced to build lethality
  2. HP scale to max 2130 HP, down from 2210, which is ALSO down from 2380 (His base HP growth has been nerfed TWICE.)

And..... he can't build anything beyond that. -If a Mage nukes him for that damage, he's dead. -If an adc crits for 2100 (Caitlyn) He's dead. -If a Diana Q>R's him, he's 100% dead. There are a ton of instant sources of damage that deal 2130 damage, and that's his MAX Hp. He can't build to counter it

Furthermore, these are the MAX numbers, so you need to consider: this is going to affect his HP growth at low levels too.

And ofc, on top of that, the grey health recovery is going down too. By a LOT. Pyke is going to have to recall about 4 times as much because of the grey health nerf. If he's still able to.

Why is Riot doing this, instead of just taking away his double "Your Cut" or reverting his R buff?? That's what makes him feel strong now. 50% HP Executions. NOT his HP. Hell...... he can't even escape early game anymore because of mobility scaling to lethality he hasn't bought yet.

Once again: I haven't played him since they took away his aoes. So this isn't about me. This is about Riot buffing an abomination, and then nerfing him in the dumbest way possible.

22 Comments

Snowdencch4 votes

Pyke's kit is overloaded to hell anyways, how can anyone even complain about this champ being nerfed???

Illabethe1 votes

Because the nerf is the worst possible one. He's been a one shot kill since he was released by certain champs. That champ pool size is going to dramatically increase.

The reason people hate Pyke right now is because they took his ability to farm and traded it for more gold/damage. Not because he NEEDED more damage/Gold. Because they didn't want him Jungling or mid. (I play Zyra/Morg Jungle......). The R is now feeling excessive and sometimes without real counterplay because of the rework.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Because top/mid Pyke was "so broken". Which is funny to say, because the only problem with top/mid pyke was Aftershock and his kit pre-leth changes. With Aftershock's base taking a hit, hes not gonna be able to abuse it like he did before. Even when top Pyke was at its strongest, I never once looked at it and said, "this is broken". Overtuned is one thing, broken is a whole different ballpark (pre nerf Riven).

Sewer Side2 votes

Because people bitched about his gray health for an eternity “hUrR wHy iS hE sAfE aNd rEgEn tO fUlL fRoM bAd tRadEs” (not even the case, but Boards hyperbole wbk)

Whatever, he’s pretty even less incentivized to play aggressive. Hope you all like rat-Pyke, because he’ll rarely go E in to stun and will save it for escapes.

Illabethe1 votes

In other words, less of a support. Less of everything. Punishment for his Adc, more than him.

ArtumisPrime2 votes

Pyke has the highest scaling armor in the game, and is number 4 for base armor. A Cait is not going to crit him for 2100 at any point in the game, even if he builds no armor items.

Your math is wrong BTW. His scaling HP is being lowered from 90 to 80. 80 x 17 = 1360 + 600 base = 1960. Lowered by 170, not 80 as per your math.

Illabethe1 votes

The patch notes say 90 from 100. I'm just going by them. I had to double check it too, because I thought it was already 90.

But you are right. Somehow the math is wrong. I was putting 90*17 +510 etc and somehow came up with only 80 differences, and didn't notice it. Maybe on one I used base of 590 HP, not 510.

You do realize Caitlyn can crit for almost 3k?

ArtumisPrime2 votes

Huh. Not sure where I got 90-80 from. lol You're right about 100-90.

EDIT: His base is 600 BTW. So, 100x17+600 or 90x17+600

EDIT 2: Even if Cait crits for 3k, that's still reduced to less than 1500 from his base armor alone at level 18.

Illabethe1 votes

Items..... item 3036

ArtumisPrime1 votes

ADC almost never buy this item any more, even if they go to 6. It's usually 3-4 (Cait trends towards 4) crit items, boots, 1 LS item, then 1 semi-defensive item...GA, hexdrinker, Mercurial, Death's Dance, etc., then if 3 crit items MAYBE LW...but almost never.

According to u.gg it's not even in the top 8 for Cait. Less than 4% build rate.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/caitlyn/pro-build

boricCentaur11 votes

Lets also not forget the aftershock nerfs coming with preseason. Which means these changes will be felt MUCH harder.

Like idk why not revert the ult change that's all they had to do too. Like one pyke wasn't played as much before then and again aftershock is getting nerf for non tanks his main rune.

Pyke is going to be shit.

FallingMeteor1 votes

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Like idk why not revert the ult change that's all they had to do too. Like one pyke wasn't played as much before then and again aftershock is getting nerf for non tanks his main rune.

Pyke is going to be shit.

Riot as of lately has been putting a bandaid on a bullet wound, they usually buff a champion and when that champion becomes too strong instead of reverting the buff they nerf another aspect of the champion.

ArtumisPrime1 votes

The absolute, number one, best example of this is Akali. They dodged around taking away her true stealth for so long that by the time they finally removed it she was in the dumpster as far as win rate is concerned.

Charmy Bird1 votes

Pyke is one of the safest champions in the game. His e is a long dash that even stuns those who chase him, his w makes him stealth and gives mov speed buff and his passive heals almost all of the trade. He will be fine

Illabethe1 votes

I'll add this in here:

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3180213783/243999882?tab=overview

Look at the Kill/Death difference between the teams.

Look at the GOLD difference.

One Team Dominating. Other Team: Pyke cleaning up playing mediocre.

Pyke Team: 12.9k more gold.

(I was able to sell and buy items TWICE on Zyra and was overbudget by 5-6k Gold. That's how much EXTRA gold they got from Your Cut).

But oh hey. Nerf his "HP."

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

The thigh guy1 votes

Pyke is an assassin. Assassins are not suppose to be tanky. It’s bad enough have has hard cc and free sustain.

When you physically cannot fuck up hard enough on a champion to be punished something has to take a hit. In this case his hp.

Illabethe1 votes

You REALLY don't understand the premise.

PYKE CAN'T BUILD HP. AT ALL. SO TAKING BASE HP = reducing his entire possible viability.

Pyke is NOT kitted like an assassin, although he is one. His skills hit once, the damage is small and mitigateable outside his ult, and generally Pyke already has the most deaths of any assassin in the game.

He's basically become an Ult bot.

And yeah. Pyke CAN BE PUNISHED HARD. W scaling to Lethality basically made it so almost half the adc roster can outrun Pyke. Champions like Yi/Diana can track and follow and assasinate him even while he's in W. Just because you are Bronze I, play nothing but Kayn and not much ranked at all..... doesn't mean Pyke isn't weak. Generally he is. The only thing carrying him right now..... is the double "Your Cut" that they gave him recently.

https://u.gg/lol/combat/?role=support&rank=overall Order this by Deaths.

Of all champs tracked as Support, Pyke is the 8th highest Deaths in the game, our of tracked champs. And if you look at the 7 with higher deaths, they are all the soft immobile mage targets. Talon and Zed average about the same amount of deaths as MID as Pyke as IS. With this nerf, Pyke is going to die MORE than assassins.

The thigh guy1 votes

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You REALLY don't understand the premise.

PYKE CAN'T BUILD HP. AT ALL. SO TAKING BASE HP = reducing his entire possible viability.

Pyke is NOT kitted like an assassin, although he is one. His skills hit once, the damage is small and mitigateable outside his ult, and generally Pyke already has the most deaths of any assassin in the game.

He's basically become an Ult bot.

And yeah. Pyke CAN BE PUNISHED HARD. W scaling to Lethality basically made it so almost half the adc roster can outrun Pyke. Champions like Yi/Diana can track and follow and assasinate him even while he's in W. Just because you are Bronze I, play nothing but Kayn and not much ranked at all..... doesn't mean Pyke isn't weak. Generally he is. The only thing carrying him right now..... is the double "Your Cut" that they gave him recently.

https://u.gg/lol/combat/?role=support&rank=overall Order this by Deaths.

Of all champs tracked as Support, Pyke is the 8th highest Deaths in the game, our of tracked champs. And if you look at the 7 with higher deaths, they are all the soft immobile mage targets. Talon and Zed average about the same amount of deaths as MID as Pyke as IS. With this nerf, Pyke is going to die MORE than assassins.

For fucks sake. NO ONE CARES that he can’t build hp. He. Is. An. Assassin. A squishy highly mobile burst oriented champion. Not a fucking tank.

And no. He isn’t punishable. He has the HIGHEST base armor in the game with the highest armor growth and will still have the highest base hp in the game. Tied with the PERFECT disengage tool that stops people from chasing him and a ms steroid that doubles as a stealth.

GankLord1 votes

This is why these hybrid classes aren't a good idea. Any nerfs he gets right now are well deserved he's too little risk high reward at the moment.

The Kombinator1 votes

He is meant to die from a nuke. Not like any assassin builds HP in general. Also, if you can't nuke him, then he returns in like 3 seconds up and ready. Most assassin either recall, or needs long time to be up again.

Illabethe2 votes

Still dies just as much as any assassin, doesn't have a strong assassination kit, and most things killing him are NOT Nuke Kits. Ever isolate him with Karma or Morg? I have.

I can also 1v1 him on Nami :)

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