PSA: It's your fault that you died to a gank, not your junglers.

The Deckowner·Apr 2, 2017·4 votes·503 views

tl;dr Toxicity can be reduced by so much if people just think in other's perspective.

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It's your fault that you died to a gank, not your junglers. However It is your jungler's fault if they don't try to get advantage else where.

But it is possible that the condition did not allow your jungler to do so.

For example if you got ganked bot, your jungler want to react to that play cross map, but:

top is ~~an ape~~ doing poorly and already fed lane hard, can't even 2v1.
mid backed.
top side enemy jungle is cleared.

In this case your jungler decides to just farm top side jungle, which might seem like doing nothing, but in fact that is already the best of the worst situation as your jungler is still generating gold.

2 Comments

KilanostApr 2, 20172 votes

When will people realize that junglers WANT to gank? The question they should be asking themselves is "What is the situation currently that has made it so my jungler isn't ganking for me?"

Here's a short list:

The jungler is getting camped by shaco in his own jungle and is struggling just to keep even on farm and be relevant. (In this case, you should be helping him ward his jg and be reacting quickly to pings when he thinks the enemy jungler is there)
You've push to their turret. Sorry but Im not diving and dying so you can POSSIBLY pick up a kill. My dying means I lose half my jungle without the option to take half of the enemy's jungle. With camp resspawns the way they are currently, that is a much bigger loss than you losing a few cs because of lane pressure.
You have no wards down and havent communicated where you think their wards are. If you haven't conveyed valuable info to me about the situation in your lane, I'm going to clear before I gank.
You're too low on health. I'm not ganking if you wont survive and I'm stuck taking minion aggro while your laner shits on me. Recall. I'll freeze/farm it.
You haven't pinged/pulled summs.
You haven't put down any harrass...mostly an issue combined with #4.
Drake is up.
Their red/blue is up.
Ive ganked your lane before and learned the hard way that you are a moron.
Countergank probability is high.
your laner is fed.
You have no CC and the other lanes do.
I have more faith in other lanes than I do you.

The list could be expanded I'm sure but these are probably the biggest reasons.

JRobin31Apr 2, 20171 votes

If a player dies and starts blaming the jungler, it isn't because he isn't seeing the jungler's perspective. It's because he is experiencing negative emotions from dying and lacks the emotional self-awareness and maturity to handle it in a productive way. Blaming the jungler is a means of venting his negative emotional state. Any critical thinking that took place to make that blame justified or not is incidental. The blame can be justified or not and it wouldn't change his behavior because his behavior is the result of his emotional state. Whether or not it is his fault is also irrelevant because it is his emotional state that is driving his behavior.

Let's look critically at the jungler takes farm scenario:

Bronze: it might be assumed that the jungler should never take farm from lanes. Silver: it might just be accepted that the jungler will take farm. No one really knows why, when, or how the jungler should take farm, but they know he takes farm sometimes. Gold: the jungler should take farm if that farm would die to tower, but probably shouldn't take any more than that Platinum: the jungler should push the lane to enemy tower to deny farm from enemy laner Diamond: the jungler should leave the wave to push towards his laner so that he both denies the enemy laner farm and leaves plenty of farm for his ally Master: if you know what these guys are thinking you are next level awesome, but you probably don't know what they are thinking and everything you thought you learned is probably wrong in some way. If they take farm it is almost certainly for the right reason and you almost certainly don't know what that reason is. If they leave farm, it is also for the right reason and you also probably don't really know the right reason.

So maybe everyone in a given game disagrees on the best thing to do. Some are right. Some are wrong. Most are half-right and half-wrong. Unless a Master shows up, critical analysis is a bust. If someone's having a "bad day", then chances are the blame is coming. If the screen ends in Defeat you know the reports are coming too and if it ends in Victory, then maybe he forgets about it because he's high on the emotional ecstasy of Victory. Critical thinking wasn't going to change his behavior at any stage of the game.

All you can do is let it go and not get caught in the wheel of Samsara.