Assassins should have easy to dodge delayed burst with no cc for counterplay

TeemoXNidalee·Oct 24, 2016·9 votes·872 views

But it's fine for champs like to stun from fog of war and point & click 100-0 you.

Balanced

44 Comments

Chamuel85Oct 24, 20169 votes

Yeah, Syndra's ultimate isn't instant in it's damage application either. This isn't really a good example when you're complaining about assassins needing a .25 second assassinate window and bringing up her ult which takes about 1/3-2/3 of a second to finish.

Big LincolnOct 24, 20163 votes

it might as well be instant given you can't do anything to stop the orbs from hitting you once she presses R

functionally no difference at all other than she can still proc thunderlord's with one button

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TROct 24, 20165 votes

Zhonya's or any invulnerability (or even untargetability I think) will nullify her ultimate even after she's cast it on you.

Big LincolnOct 24, 20161 votes

don't refute me with information i didn't consider prior

McFatalOct 24, 20163 votes

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Zhonya's or any invulnerability (or even untargetability I think) will nullify her ultimate even after she's cast it on you.

Riven why have i never purchased zhonyas before xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TROct 24, 20164 votes

Riven can block a bunch of damage with her shield. Even barring that, some champions are meant to be strong or weak against others. If, for example, every single champion had some way to nullify Ashe's ultimate, why would you ever pick Ashe? Just because not every champion can do something about it doesn't mean no champions can do something about it, or that it's broken.

McFatalOct 24, 20163 votes

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Riven can block a bunch of damage with her shield. Even barring that, some champions are meant to be strong or weak against others. If, for example, every single champion had some way to nullify Ashe's ultimate, why would you ever pick Ashe? Just because not every champion can do something about it doesn't mean no champions can do something about it, or that it's broken.

as a general melee ad champ, i pointed out riven. how about darius? let me guess he also gets countered b syndra. if we kept wiht your attitude we could confirm syndra counters the entire melee ad base of champs and its ok because "some champs counter others"

President Swa1nOct 24, 20163 votes

There's this thing called MR.

Pretty useful. Good investment if you're being 100-0'ed by a mage.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TROct 25, 20161 votes

If Syndra ults a Darius she's full on retarded. He builds health and magic resistance specifically to counter that.

Pierce The VealOct 25, 20161 votes

Mainly because if he didn't he'd be deleted the second he gets into a 3 mile radius of syndra

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TROct 25, 20161 votes

And that's not a problem. Syndra's a burst mage. Her job is to bend squishies over a barrel. That's always been her job. Maybe tone her numbers down a bit, but she hardly needs a gutting just for doing her job.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Oh, oh. And she also can stun the enemy Nexus from her own fountain instantly winning the game.

HahahahyenaOct 25, 20162 votes

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as a general melee ad champ, i pointed out riven. how about darius? let me guess he also gets countered b syndra. if we kept wiht your attitude we could confirm syndra counters the entire melee ad base of champs and its ok because "some champs counter others"

melees that have the capability to hard counter syndra ult: Kayle (technically melee) Kled Shaco Taric Yasuo Zed Fizz Fiora Braum

funny how these champs also have the capability to fuck her as well

Chamuel85Oct 25, 20161 votes

Alistar Braum Ekko Elise Fiora Fizz Kled Maokai TahmKench Taric Tryndamere Volibear Zilean all have something to say in countering a longer window for being killed (aka not 100 - 0)

SerevasOct 24, 20162 votes

Anything that puts you into stasis, invulnerability, or makes you untargetable cancels the ultimate damage.

48983507DEL1Oct 24, 20163 votes

Shields, heals, QSS, Crucible can all be used before she's finished comboing you.

McFatalOct 24, 20162 votes

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Shields, heals, QSS, Crucible can all be used before she's finished comboing you.

good joke. ive seen a syndra q my adc then press r and she dies before she can even react. amazing joke tho

President Swa1nOct 24, 20165 votes

That's probably because it's your ADC

Zero Skill TankOct 25, 20164 votes

ooooooooooooooooooooooh D BURN

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20163 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/UJW0Z1VH42rcs/giphy.gif

48983507DEL1Oct 25, 20162 votes

I mean if your reaction speeds are that slow then sucks to be you.

KaiokoOct 24, 20165 votes

You mean the syndra who has to set up her ultimate and then whose activation takes 2-3 seconds? Oh and who also has no mobility to get to you other than landing her stun which is a skillshot?

I'm not arguing that Syndra is weak but there's a very good reason assassins don't have hard CC.

Akali is SO HOTOct 24, 20162 votes

lol it doesn't matter that it takes 2 seconds to set up if you're stunned the whole time and after the stun is over you're screwed because you can't dodge her nuclear bomb ultimate.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

First of all the stun lasts for 1.5 seconds and secondly at the max range the stun will expire before she's able to get in range to ult.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Not to mention at max stun range she can't even get close enough to ult, before the stun ends.

Jaygo41Oct 24, 20162 votes

Yeah man, she's a mage. It's fair that way! Buy some magic resist you stupid fighter player >.>

Resonance x LFTOct 24, 20162 votes

Most assassins have CC.

MasterYi Nidalee Are the only ones I know that don't have CC.

In the past, Syndra's counterplay was the unlimited list of bugs that you would run into while playing her. Such as, being creep blocked by your orbs, having spaghetti code and your stun going in the wrong direction. Now, I still think she's balanced after her rework, because if she misses her stun, she dies. It's a very similar concept to Lux .

GULAG 4 UOct 24, 20162 votes

OP said hard CC. Also Yi isn't an assassin but a skirmisher.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

and your stun going in the wrong direction.

Or going right through them not dealing damage and/or stunning.

http://i.imgur.com/46qmN9R.gif?b

Irelia BotOct 24, 20162 votes

Annie

48983507DEL1Oct 24, 20163 votes

Low range, no mobility, and her ult is flashable now.

Irelia BotOct 25, 20161 votes

you flash but the bear still will chase you.

48983507DEL1Oct 25, 20161 votes

but it won't stun you or get the initial 200-800 damage off.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Flashable when?

48983507DEL1Oct 25, 20161 votes

Before her mini-rework, Annie's ult used to be an instantaneous stun, despite having a cast time.

Now, the stun doesn't apply until the cast time is completed, meaning if you see her doing the animation, you can flash it.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Yeah, so now you have a window of like 0.1 sec to flash away.

48983507DEL1Oct 25, 20161 votes

Yes, but Annie's whole shtick is that she's very reliable. She punishes mistakes and provides crowd control that is nearly undogeable. However, she only has small windows of opportunity to make use of her abilities. The fact that her opponents have an opportunity to dodge it now makes her slightly less viable.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Her windows of opportunity aren't that small actually.

48983507DEL1Oct 25, 20161 votes

They are actually. Her range is extremely small in comparison to nearly every other non-melee champion, she has no mobility, and her damage late game can easily be negated by a Banshee's Veil, shields, exhaust, heals, etc.

Hitting a huge ultimate on multiple people that includes the squishy carries is really difficult later into the game because of how easy it is to see coming.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

I don't agree, but let's leave it at that.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 24, 20161 votes

yes, actually it is fine.

Vistha KaiOct 25, 20161 votes

Save kittens and don't face-check unwarded bushes.

LordGeovanniOct 25, 20161 votes

Easy to dodge? Fuk no it isnt. Delayed? Slightly compared to no counterplay before but not even compared to most other champions that arent high damage poke mages and jayce. and they all have low cooldown spells along with assassins. sure syndra is bs too though but thats low cooldowns and mr being shitty