Riot, can we PLEASE talk about this?

Shahamut··5 votes·4,104 views

Skarner:

ACTUALLY one of if not the WEAKEST early game:

Rank 1 Abilities:

Q: ZERO base damage +33%AD (24 dmg at level 3 btw) When charged its 66%AD (48 dmg!) W: ZERO base value +10% Max HP (73 at level 3) +80% AP!! (usually ZERO) E: 40 base damage! (cant even last hit minions reliably with this skill) +20% AP! (really? wont even scale...) ----- If you can proc the stun: +30 damage! NO SCALING!....

And what do you get for such a pathetic ealry game? almost nothing...

Q: +3% AD per rank... W: +1% max hp per rank... E: +25 dmg/rank, +20 bonus dmg per rank... (total with proc: 250 damage)

His E is the only decent skill at max rank, especially if you consider he has to itemize defensively...

Just being tanky and having some cc (nautilus is tankier and has more reliable cc combo) means nothing if you can't even trade with it...

Mana costs are rediculous as well.

If you arent going to give Skarner a REAL passive until he is completely reworked, could we at LEAST have some actual values and scaling on our abilities until then?

It would be nice if I could lane against at LEAST some "weak" early game champions... Cant even fight Kayle, and she is "weak" but scales to the high heavens (pun intended).

Have a nice day.

17 Comments

sîñ2 votes

What's a "Skarner" ? Never heard of it

Shahamut1 votes

probably because he has a 1.1% play rate this patch thus far...

Shahamut1 votes

No comments?

DQO071 votes

This champion is not a laner. Hes just not, so stop crying about something that isn't supposed to happen xD

The next problem is not understanding the champion is a bruiser who goes Trinity into Steraks into BC every game.

Third is not understanding that this champion would be terrifying as he once was (before the one nerf he got) if he got any buff.

Shahamut2 votes

lol, you obviously know nothing about Skarner. I garantee that any early game jungler craps on him, spires or no.

The spires are a terrible mechanic, and he was only terrifying because people hadn't adjusted to him. And his spires were WAY over tuned. They had to be if they were going to be useful at all.

Look, Skarner has been my favorite champion since I started playing, and ever since spires, he has been a dumpster champion, that currently has ZERO damage, ZERO scaling outside of auto attacks. The only reason Skarner can't "lane" is because of his bogus passive that doesn't even really help win games. (doesnt help defend/take towers, doesnt help defend/take nexus). The fact that it holds so much of his power budget AND can be completely denied by the enemy team is ridiculous.

Prior to the jugger-fail changes, Skarner could be played in lane just fine. He was a speedy, sticky fighter, and he scaled decently well. Not OP, not that popular. He was fine, as he had a player base that loved him and he was good enough for them. Now he has a 1.1% winrate, 3rd from the bottom.

-Riot has admitted they failed with Skarner rework. -2018 Riot had a goal set as "role diversity". -I wrote a VERY detailed post about why Skarner's passive is terrible, lore/gameplay/design and got a reply from a RIOT employee saying he was on a short list of champs who could go for a small update "Xin Zhoa level".

-I have been waiting over a YEAR for anything since then.

"This champion is not a laner", you right, he isn't an ANYTHING right now. Only reason he sees LCS play is because he has a stupid single target cc combo. Yay, Im an ult bot! also Qss ruins that... so I guess Im not even that...

"Trinity into Steraks into BC" If by BC you mean black cleaver, I dont know what you are smoking but it must be some good stuff... No one runes TF and BC together...

Seriously, pros and challenger players dont even build sheen on him...

DQO071 votes

They tried role diversity, everyone hated it. Remember LB and Fizz top? Darius and Vlad bottom? Nobody actually wants diversity in roles. Also if you weren't an iron tier player you would understand that Trinity is a must take on the champion because he spams an ability xD He is an AD bruiser intended to go jungle, so therefore laning him is putting the champion at a disadvantage. And no it had nothing to do with people not adjusting to him, it had to do with the meta and he was released completely overtuned. So please, get your facts straight and some minor understanding of the game before talking.

Also just wanna point out, 50% win rate in jungle, champion is fine.

Shahamut1 votes

I really cant believe Im having to type this... but here we go:

They tried role diversity, everyone hated it.

They tried diversity in bot lane, and adc mains cried against it. Still, there are some different things that still go bot lane from time to time, and it is ok.

Trinity is a must take on the champion

I never said it wasn't, I simply pointed out that the highest levels of play (challenger and pro) almost never take it, they don't even build sheen:

Seriously, pros and challenger players dont even build sheen on him...

See? And you can "fact check" that with u.gg

Also if you weren't an iron tier player

Sorry, this is so minor, and stupid, but since you wanted to call out "fact checking, I thought I would throw this in, since you obviously didnt see that I have climbed from silver 3 to plat 3 this season thus far, primarily playing Skarner top. 200+ games with close to a 60% winrate.

50% win rate in jungle, champion is fine.

50% winrate on a champion that is pretty well ONLY played by his mains (1.1% playrate) is NOT ok... Mains will typically have a much HIGHER winrate than 50% on their champion. This is a rediculous argument, that shows you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. His playrate, btw, I even gave you in my original response.

A champion should not be chained to any one role because of a terrible game design passive. I played Skarner in top, mid and jungle prior to the juggernaut rework. Preach "HES MEANT TO BE JUNGLE " all you want, but I want to play my favorite champion in top lane.

Get your facts straight, then try again to argue with me.

FSRER3 votes

Every champion should be picked for a reason. Well, you have no reason to pick skarner over any other jungler or champion in general.

Shahamut2 votes

Currently, the only reason I have to pick him is him being my favorite champion. XD

FrancisMuni1 votes

Yeah, 80% of his kit it completely unreliable, and the other 20% is a 0.9 AD AOE that does about the same damage as a cannon minion

Shahamut1 votes

Exactly. Look at ANY other champion, and find someone with base dmg and scaling as bad as his. Be willing to bet it would be impossible to find :-(

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø1 votes

Don't forget Shaco, you and I are in the same dumpster fellow Skarner player

Shahamut2 votes

Ya know, I haven't looked at Shaco in a long time.

Totally agree, though I'm sure, at least in his case, the stealth makes him harder to balance well.

Rito why?

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø1 votes

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Ya know, I haven't looked at Shaco in a long time.

Totally agree, though I'm sure, at least in his case, the stealth makes him harder to balance well.

Rito why?

Because Rito hates us and we aren't popular and making anime skins for us is very hard :/

Shahamut2 votes

Lol, TRUE!

Shahamut1 votes

Still waiting Riot, I really want to know whats going on...

Shahamut1 votes

Rito please!

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