Cull should probably have an execute on minions

Photos of Ghosts··3 votes·1,066 views

EDIT: it would pretty childishly obviously be a really low execute, equal to like your AD + 10 ( not stacking with the autoattack, so it's just a situational AD steroid for minions only). This way you lose trading potential, but you actually have an easier time farming as a compensation.

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Wolfess4 votes

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EDIT: it would pretty childishly obviously be a really low execute, equal to like your AD + 10 ( not stacking with the autoattack, so it's just a situational AD steroid for minions only). This way you lose trading potential, but you actually have an easier time farming as a compensation.

I think this small-bonus-execute would be better as a mechanic for new(er) players to learn the process of last-hitting, especially when they don't have access to the tier3 runes that lvl 30 players have or the masteries from missing points, that way, slowly, you can wean them off of the bonus execute and get them to start last-hitting better once they do reach the lvl 30 mark.

Cull doesn't need an execute, cull as an item is already a "I'm confident in my last hitting abilities so I'm going to make an investment" item. If you don't think you can do it or if you prefer an item that will still scale a bit as you progress into the late-game with its % lifesteal, or preffer that 80hp buffer that might save your life, take the doran's blade instead.

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dont think u know what cull is cull is his ult

You're thinking of Lucian since his ult is called The Culling We're talking about this item item 1083 Also not to be confused with Cull the Meek Renekton

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

First real argument to be brought. Thank you dood.

ZETQuidam3 votes

Why would you need an execute on Cull? ADC already have the easiest time ever getting the last hit on minions. The relic shield's execute only works on melee and doesn't work on every CS.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Because currently: Dorans:

  • intention to trade
  • trading stats
  • scaling lifesteal Cull:
  • intention to farm
  • no farming stats
  • gold for snowballing
Billy VoHagen1 votes

+5 attack damage +3 health on-hit ? Ad is a farming stat, and in some situations, health on hit is better than life steal.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

But you have less of it than with Doran's ring. So the solution would be to have a few more points of bonus damage against minions, but that automatically shoves a bit too much, so here you go: you only have these few points of bonus damage on the killing autoattack.

Billy VoHagen1 votes

A 3 ad difference isn't major, especially for how much more useful Cull will be later. You get Cull when you want a weaker laning phase to be rewarded later. I agree, it needs buffs, but not in that way.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

And a 7 difference in the other direction from the execute I suggest isn't major either.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

If you are saying it should be too small to be noticeable, then why implement the change? The moment this is noticeable it will be overpowered, and non-adc champions will be buying this item

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Third time I say it: Cull is less good than any other starting item except Shield for its own specific purpose of afkfarming. Doran's Blade isn't only taken by ADCs, nor Doran's Ring by mages. Cull shouldn't be and isn't restricted either: it's just bad on everyone.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Actually I would say that cull (in the hands of a competent player) is one of the BEST starting items because of its sustain advantage and gold payout ON TOP OF SELL VALUE

Spaceman5pff1 votes

ONLY on the KILLING attack is how relic works, and it leads to early level 2. Doubling that effect is just absurd, It is almost as scary for botlane as the idea of ARPen boots

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

YES BUT THIS IS A GODDAMN 7 DAMAGE DIFFERENCE, THERE'S ALREADY A 3 DAMAGE DIFFERENCE

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

I'm pretty sure it's the player's problem for not mastering CS-ing minions properly, don't pamper them with executes.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Dorans:

  • intention to trade
  • trading stats
  • scaling lifesteal Cull:
  • intention to farm
  • less farming stats than Doran's
  • gold for snowballing

Also read the post, it would be equal to having 7 (or less) bonus AD against minions but ONLY on the last hit to prevent pushing.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Actually id say cull has better farming stats than dorans bc u get more gold overall and that is what farming is all about, also the 3 life on hit is better sustain early, making it better for sustaining through bad matchups as long as they arent hard engaging, in which the hp from dorans comes in handy.

Cull definitely is a better farming choice already.

Spaceman5pff2 votes

Lol I don't think that's appropriate. That's way too much power and would be too good for early shoving for lv 2 + all in with Leona

Flame Bot1 votes

dont think u know what cull is cull is his ult

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

No. It's an underpowered starting item for ADs. That's The Culling.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

That's why an execute and not only bonus damage to minions. THAT would shove.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

No an execute like relic shield (which on aggro supports like leona is used to kill the minions faster and get lv 2 before the enemy team) would help kill creeps faster and get level 2 sooner thus it would go from a farming item to an early snowball item.

EDIT: this isnt the only reason to go relic shield, but rather a strategy made available by relic shield users.

EDIT: I posted this before you updated your original post without showing edits, and even so, still think the execute mechanic is a terrible idea (and i suck at farming)

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

I made the edits as soon as I saw people misunderstanding the obvious. Why is it still an even remotely bad idea?

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Regarding Edits: Your are supposed to leave an indication that you edit and WHAT you edited so as to retain maybe just a SHRED of integrity.

Regarding this cancer you suggest: Draven and Leona lane could have level 2 before the enemy is even 3/4 of the way there

EDIT: it appears you have AGAIN altered the Original Post without making it clear with no intent other than invalidating all of my comments.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

The whole post is an edit. It was just a title, because I didn't expect anyone to not get it. This is what I meant since the beginning, and no, the world doesn't revolve around you, I made the edit because you and others proved that there would be other, additional people capable of not realising I won't suggest ridiculous and broken things.

Regarding the actual point, first off don't call it cancer; secondly, just kill the Draven. He's squishier and damages you less; moreover, attacking him shoves the lane back to him.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

This isn't war. This is JUSTICE Garen

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Also please read the first word of the post.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Sir you have edited the edit 4 times now.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Aaaaaand you're not "supposed" to do anything. If you didn't take this as a way to show off on the internet how smart you are, you'd have realised that this is not a war and edits are not against you. They're because I had forgotten how spiteful people are on the internet, especially against average elo players ( even when they're part of us) and as a result how they expect to only see bullshit and not reasonable suggestions.

venomous frost1 votes

real title: "bronzies should probably have an execute"

Photos of Ghosts3 votes

Nice intellect

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