Challenger player Pants On Dragon's thoughts on changes

Tychusfindlay919··6 votes·1,138 views

https://youtu.be/IkOfYcgR9aM

Interestingly enough he attributes the darius nerf to low elo shitters. Of course, this board is probably 80% low elo players, so I'll accept the downvotes coming in, but the truth hurts doesnt it...

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LostFr0st3 votes

I guess that's also why his ban rate was so high in high elo too right. or did Pants conveniently leave that out?

Lauchmelder2 votes

There's a difference between being OP or just annoying to play against.

If banrate would make champions OP Zed would be the most broken champion for me. He got 90% of my bans.

LostFr0st1 votes

Well lately they've been looking at changing a lot of annoying champs. We all have bans we do just 'cause we don't trust our team vs the pick ;)

Maybe they're just prepping the roster for 10 bans so people can still play their mains.

Ahristocats3 votes

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Interestingly enough he attributes the darius nerf to low elo shitters

who's going to say the opposite? https://i.gyazo.com/edf481fc37921642dc3f5a52d17d1db4.png https://i.gyazo.com/a9a98733b381d68f554b6c1de9616ffe.png quick question i sent to a master tier mid laner we all know in high elo when riot do changes for low elo

Penns4 votes

One random person proves everything kappa

Ahristocats3 votes

unfortunatly i don't have enough friends online, i would have asked to BigFatAndBlack (challenger adc main) but here is a universal fact: darius is kiteable

do you want me to ask to this guy if camille or hecarim should be nerfed? the answer has a 90% chance of being yes , because you can't kite hecarim, you can't kite camille you can just die against them without dodging anything (if you manage to dodge camille's E gz to you) in high elo you can kite darius which makes high elo players not feeling that darius is overpowered

and as a melee in 1v1 darius takes a long time to get damage, and you can dodge the blade of his Q which is something low elo player NEVER DO because i have to make a compilation of high elo players running into me to dodge the blade of my Q

Penns1 votes

Define "kiteable"... cause when he runs at you with DMP theres not a whole lot you can do. Having a hook with standard ranged aa range kind of defeats the purpose of being "kiteable". Dodging his blade is kind of hard when youre slowed by 90% too. There are probably champs that need nerfs more than Darius atm, but Id still rather play against a Jayce than against a Darius... unless Jayce gets a Maw then fk him lol.

Ahristocats3 votes

DMP is useless after the first hit, and if you slow darius it stops the 100 charges, you're imagining an 1v1 with darius i'm imagining a 5v5

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

So why can't we imagine a 5v5 with Hecarim and Camille to help us realize that kiting them may not be easy but they don't spell a squishy's death instantly either?

Ahristocats2 votes

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but they don't spell a squishy's death instantly either?

then we're not playing the same game

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I mean, my carries usually buy a defensive item.

So they get two shot. Not one shot.

WoonStruck2 votes

A hard stuck D5 player in season 5 definitely knows best. You got us.

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=ninetails+lft

700 games and still promoting/demoting between plat and diamond.

Ahristocats1 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/79110e6c2414cbe0fd4188129a20bb59.jpg

i didn't get anything, Ninetails may be stuck but he played with me during multiple go4lol and is definitly a beast in the midlane i was also hardstuck in d5 and so was malicious metal(you can ask him) being hard stuck in d5 isn't something rare

WoonStruck1 votes

I know its not rare, but advertising him as someone whose opinion should matter more because you say he's 'masters' is a bit misleading when they can't even push past D5.

He was masters. He obviously isn't at that quality right now.

Ahristocats1 votes

{quoted} He was masters. He obviously isn't at that quality right now.

sure, because you suddenly forget how to play the game alright, then you got me

Big Lincoln2 votes

I forgot how to climb :^( I feel his struggle

Ahristocats1 votes

i also forgot how to play the game :^( , can't get back to master

WoonStruck1 votes

He's obviously not climbing, and his MMR isn't anywhere spectacular right now either.

He's unable to climb out of Diamond 5 after nearly 700 games so he is a Diamond 5 player currently.

Advertising him as Masters right now to try to make a point is misleading.

WoonStruck3 votes

Darius deserved some nerfs, but a lot of other champions deserved nerfs far more and are much more blatant issues. That's what ticks me off about the Darius nerfs.


Try saying Darius is kiteable when he has ghost+flash and stormraider's. A champion being kiteable doesn't make them immune to being overtuned, for those of you bitching about the nerfs.

Big Lincoln2 votes

ghost is overpowered so nerf Darius?

Critmaster Garen2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qee1A0os,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-24T16:23:32.601+0000)

ghost is overpowered so nerf Darius?

no, apparantly it means nerf ghost, nerf coc and darius at the same time. you know how riot operates.

LostFr0st1 votes

They said they nerfed him because even with none of those while taking Grasp he was too strong. They've been "watching him" for months.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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They said they nerfed him because even with none of those while taking Grasp he was too strong. They've been "watching him" for months.

yet, hes not actually too strong with grasp either.

also, i dont see any ahri nerfs. she has exactly the same winrates as him for a year.

LostFr0st1 votes

Ban rate not nearly as high though... It's not like players are saying "omg I just don't want to see this champ anymore." I'm sure if Darius' ban rate was lower his play rate would be much higher. Besides, it's not like they picked bad things to nerf on him. They nerfed dmg when missing his Q and bonus AD when enraged.

Professor Ward1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qee1A0os,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-24T16:23:32.601+0000)

ghost is overpowered so nerf Darius?

this happenes more than you think, every champion created gets their movement limited by the fact that flash is taken on 99% of champions

Risk of Fate1 votes

If they're nerfing Darius because of "low elo shitters" then pray tell me why these champions aren't receiving nerfs of the same or a similar enough level?

Ahri LeeSin Teemo MasterYi Katarina Lux Zyra Brand Caitlyn Illaoi Malzahar Singed Tryndamere Zac Ziggs Yasuo

For the record, I don't care if you nerf/buff Ahri, but I def won't be happy about either one.

Quick Edit: Unsure if Riven should be included or not because it's more her kit being annoying more than she's "super strong" like the other picks.

Tormentula1 votes

No riv shouldn't be included, cause she's the total opposite.

For high elo she's yasuo, you need her to fuck up inorder to out play her. Rivens in low elo are nothing compared to the almost perfect rivens in higher elo.

WoonStruck1 votes

Low elo Rivens may not be comparable to high elo, but she's still a low-elo pubstomper.

They may be worse at low elo, but so are the players she's going against.

There's no denying that its easy to get a lead with her in a lot of match-ups, and when you have a lead with her, its very easy to just go full-retard at anything in sight and win at low elo.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Low elo Rivens may not be comparable to high elo, but she's still a low-elo pubstomper.

They may be worse at low elo, but so are the players she's going against.

There's no denying that its easy to get a lead with her in a lot of match-ups, and when you have a lead with her, its very easy to just go full-retard at anything in sight and win.

arent the top ranks of challenger full of riven mains right now?

WoonStruck1 votes

I never said she's too strong or too weak, did I?

I simply said she's a low elo pubstomper.


But yeah, challenger is full of Rivens.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Pants is a naughty word in certain parts of the world.

Jenks31 votes

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