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Kha'Zix is just not in the Meta. He can't fit the jungle, he can't fit anywhere.

LegitBacon66··25 votes·3,951 views

Kha'zix currently stands in the top 5 lowest win-rate champions. The jungle doesn't help him at all because of him being super squishy. Trying to isolate a camp to do the clear faster only makes it harder to kill the camp and you lose a lot of HP making his early game horrendously weak. Kha'zix is way too reliant on isolation to even do damage, so he can be outpicked easily by other junglers. Also the rise of tank junglers makes Kha'zix too easy to counter and only just makes it more difficult for him to keep up. He as a overall champion can't do much in helping the team except picking off kills himself when someone is roaming (Which he is supposed to do), but if you compare him to other jungler assassins, I.E. Rengar, he is much stronger in the jungler has LOTS of options in his kit than Kha'Zix. If you Kha'zix top lane, he is already out classed by majority of the top laners because of his weak dueling power. I think Kha'zix has a strong kit in terms of damage and mid-game power, but he doesn't have enough to fit the meta :(. Khazix item 3070 Possibly a Kha'zix buff next patch?

42 Comments

Meep Man15 votes
  • Make Q always deal isolated damage against monsters if no champions are nearby
  • Slightly reduce isolated range
  • Buff R evolution slightly
  • Improve base stats

He is good again.

JJ H0G1 votes

Buffing clears by letting Q always deal isolation damage like that would make him broken OP. I Think that of what you have stated, he should get the small reduction to isolation range, and the buff to his R evo.

As I stated in another thread, they could let his passive deal more damage after leaving ult via a small MR shred, 5%-10% would probably be good. They'd just have to get it to apply before the passive procs.

Boulderox1 votes

update on pbe for 6.6:

Taste Their Fear (Q) cooldown lowered to 3 seconds from 3.5 Void Spike (W) cooldown lowered to 9 seconds at all ranks from 10

do wish there was a way you could PURCHASE the final evolution or something because i feel his ult is NEVER upgraded due to how comparatively useless it is and wish there was a way to get it seeing as it is only 3 stealths.... not like he has the damage reduc. anymore.

Profirix1 votes

His R ultimate evolution just needs some kind of mechanic to make it worth evolving. An extra second on stealth and an extra charge doesn't do much of anything.

Crate of Cobras5 votes

And yet, TheOddOne still uses him in the jungle. He may be a pro, but this game isn't that hard that you can't jungle with the champion.

soliznoel3 votes

I tried playing khazix a couple time this season, he is a perfectly fine top lane, but he comes into problems when he tries to jungle, unless you are gonna max W you'll die pretty fast and have to back early. Also he is pretty damn squishy.

Profirix1 votes

I don't like ragging on players, especially those who are significantly better than I am, but any time I watch him play he seems to do very poorly. I can't use him as a standard for good jungling anymore because his time away from the LCS has really taken a toll on his jungle skill. Turn to Valkrin if you want to watch a good jungler.

Droogzy4 votes

I think if they removed the isolation nerfs, he'd be fine, its a bit ridiculous that being with minions only removes the isolation, like what the hell are they going to do? Nothing at all, except remove isolation apparently -.-

Towers, I can understand though.

UPfreely4 votes

make isolation ony count champions + large minions/monsters and player pets like heimer turrets yorick ghouls ect.

BatteryDead4 votes

juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust needs a little nudge and he should be fine I think. He's almost there.

redbull papi3 votes

Sad day for king Khazix .

I miss playing him top lane.

LegitBacon661 votes

Yeah :(.

TonyTonyMordecai2 votes

Funny thing is I wanted to play as him since he looked pretty interesting to play as... Guess I'll be changing my mind about that...

Drunk Rummate3 votes

used to like kha a lot until this season :/

Kariu Rena3 votes

give him jump w back and revert the cd nerf on his w and isolation of it

Knight SoIaire 3 votes

my vote is no

its not that i think kha is fine, he sucks but the thing is that kha zix's kit as it stands is a threat to ballance. elise class

he got nerfed hard because he gets to be the jack of all trades, all thanks to his ewolutions which make him kind of a generalist, he just specializes at whatever he needs to kill you

if kha is to live he needs a rework on his kit, aimed mainly at his ewolutions, otherwise he will bounce beetwen crap and toxic crap

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

I can make him work in solo que. But in all honesty he just relies way too much on isolation.

LegitBacon661 votes

Same. Yeah his damage isn't there at all without isolation.

Ixtali Empress2 votes

I want to main kha'zix but find it hard to play as him as 80% of the time an enemy is not isolated. When I play him I normally do ok until mid/late game as that's when the team fights begin to break out but if they have a tank or fighter jungler the other team has an advantage as kha'Zix is quite weak in team fights which is intended but I don't really get much of an opportunity to pick targets off so he seems like he has quite a disadvantage to other junglers. Do you think kha'zix would be more useful if he was used to splitpush and he has some good escapes and with a hydra and his w his waveclear is ok.

UdoIkOSc4u2 votes

he dared compete with lee sin at the end of s4LeeSin

Risurin1 votes

{quoted}

he dared compete with lee sin at the end of s4LeeSin

he was actually better then him almost all of S4...

Not sure how Kha'Zix does with the slightly nerfd jungle creeps, but he was definatly on the weak end going into S5 changes.

Big Bang Bob2 votes

Last time Khazix was free I decided to try him now that I was more competent with assassins.

Man, he was so horrible, I decided to buy Urgot after my 3rd game. (And to add more insult on his part, I went 16/3 with him and have yet to remove him from my roster of champs I play)

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Just buff the W evolution, so it's actually a choice on what to evolve.

aaronconlin2 votes

Maybe he could work in Mid. If he's built as an assassin, he would fit in with the other assassins mid lane, and it would still allow him to roam. He does need some love though, but I really don't want to see a recurrence of the old Kha'Zix

Profirix1 votes

Minions make it very hard to utilize isolation. If the opposing mid laner is smart, they will just stand in minions if Kha'Zix decides to all-in. He loses a huge portion of his damage.

Mori Please2 votes

welcome to the club Zac Khazix

Zeke Maelstorm2 votes

Kha'zik is fine and can still hyper carry, however that being said I run a tank page for him now to make clearing easier (armor reds, scaling health seals and armor quints) and can a test to how poor Kha'zix feels without one. However I do think Riot should do something about the sad state of his ultimate evolution as it is inferior to every other evolution in terms of damage, utility and mobility.

They removed the damage reduction for good reason, but the problem is that left it as inferior to everything else. Evolving his ultimate past level 9 and the enemy probably has at least one Oracles Lens which totally shuts down the stealth and Leap his a far more versatile anyway in terms of mobility. Also Q brings more general damage that he needs as a jungler in order to clear camps. I would bring back the damage reduction on his ultimate (Not the full 50% but probably 20% and then fine tune) as it gives the ultimate evolution a niche that other evolutions don't fill, tankiness.

kitcat3001 votes

I doubt riot will give his stealth durability back. They took it off Akali too.

Auz the Ripper2 votes

I want them bring back divebombing on his W, At least when it's evolved

Bisaknosp2 votes

he can still be strong in the right hands

Angry Monster2 votes

lol weak dueling power. Apparently you do not know his kit.

Trashkuun1 votes

Or how to build him.

OperationDEEZ11 votes

Khazix Is basically designed for people who want to play like complete and utter wussies.

Oelyk1 votes

Why do I say no? maybe because he works in silver(5... heh). but right now he's sitting really pretty. why he has such a low win rate is not because he's weak, but because his play style is way different than most other jungles. He's an assassin with a lot of mobility but a lot of paths to go off, and he relies on isolation (warding benefits him greatly bye lvl 2 trinket at lvl 9!). But the reason I say no is because if riot buffs him, they will nerf him probably again really soon, maybe changing his power angle and trying to make him something he's not (hello evolving/maxing w) Kha'zixs is a high-mobility assassin that works well in counter-jungling, stealing, objectives(evolved Q is a BEAST), and his only problem with win-rate is because he is restricted by his versatility (the irony!) because only one path works and people sometimes don't follow that. (HA when i first started playing him I was failing so much, building 3 tank items really doesn't inspire much fear to taste. lost like 90% of games then until i found something that worked) id like to hear your comments, but buffing him really isn't going to help, its going to give the balance team a headache because he's... sensitive.

Oelyk5 votes

Okay gonna contradict myself a bit, but i had a brilliant idea for a small QOL buff for kha.

If Khazixs ults, and if he uses his Q to cancel stealth early, it will do full (maybe a fraction) isolation damage, regardless of who's around. it makes sense, because he's a Unseen threat, and when a giant bug appears out of nowhere slicing you in half, you sure would feel scared(and isolated!)

supes the lost1 votes

I find myself hanging around Kha'zix posts a lot, due to the fact that I used to play him and I want to see him if anything, a little easier to deal with his early game. Anyways, the suggestion you made here was one of the more popular concepts to show up on another one since it both makes his ultimate evolution slightly better if q is evolved, and makes it so that he can get guaranteed bits of damage in teamfights.

Unironic SJW1 votes

I love kha but kha can never be allowed to be strong

think Lee Sin is oppressive? Kha has had every part of his kit gutted since release and he was still a strong jungle pick.

Look at what he has on his BASE kit - AA steroid that slows when coming out of vision range, massive low CD nuke, ranged AD scaling nuke that slows and grants vision, AD scaling gap closer/escape/mobility, and 2 stealths with added movement speed. This is w/o evolutions.

Kha is possibly the most overloaded champion ever created and he's only kept in check by bad numbers.

LegitBacon662 votes

Heres where you're wrong. His evolved W is what grants him vision. His "low CD nuke" does jack shit if a target isn't isolated, hell even when its evolved. His escape has a HUGE ass cooldown unless you actually get a kill to get the reset. His W is no where near "A nuke", it has a high CD, its a skill shot, and its slow and HP heal suck, his only main damage is Q which is weak since is heavily reliant on isolation.

Look at what Rengar has in his base kit. He has a passive that basically allows him to be anywhere on the map and do stealth kills from a bush. He has a ferocity steroid that can reset his abilities either wanting more Q damage + auto attack speed, or W AOE HP heal, or E-BOLA which is a root CC. He has slows, heals, and heavy damage from Q (CDR is even more scary 0.0). His ult is free invis for a duration allowing him to just jump, Kha'zix has to use 2 abilites to get to his target, ULT and JUMP. Kha'zix slow and heal is very weak, and not only that, Rengar has the bonetooth necklace which stacks on kills making his ult even more powerful!

Lee sin is lee sin, he has more ways to stick his target other than that I can't say much.

So tell me where Kha'zixs base kit is any good?

Unironic SJW1 votes

{quoted}

Heres where you're wrong. His evolved W is what grants him vision. His "low CD nuke" does jack shit if a target isn't isolated, hell even when its evolved. His escape has a HUGE ass cooldown unless you actually get a kill to get the reset. His W is no where near "A nuke", it has a high CD, its a skill shot, and its slow and HP heal suck, his only main damage is Q which is weak since is heavily reliant on isolation.

Look at what Rengar has in his base kit. He has a passive that basically allows him to be anywhere on the map and do stealth kills from a bush. He has a ferocity steroid that can reset his abilities either wanting more Q damage + auto attack speed, or W AOE HP heal, or E-BOLA which is a root CC. He has slows, heals, and heavy damage from Q (CDR is even more scary 0.0). His ult is free invis for a duration allowing him to just jump, Kha'zix has to use 2 abilites to get to his target, ULT and JUMP. Kha'zix slow and heal is very weak, and not only that, Rengar has the bonetooth necklace which stacks on kills making his ult even more powerful!

Lee sin is lee sin, he has more ways to stick his target other than that I can't say much.

So tell me where Kha'zixs base kit is any good?

100% of what you're saying is because his kit has been gutted multiple times, MULTIPLE.

Unevolved Kha Q used to do a LOT more both isolated and unisolated and it used to be a LOT easier to isolate Unevolved Kha W was castable during his E. Unevolved Kha E used to have 0.8 bonus AD ratio Unevolved Kha R could be casted in a second after the first cast instead of 2.

So yeah his base kit is weaker now but that's because of how much power Riot's taken away from him.

DragonStriker V81 votes

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Kha'zix currently stands in the top 5 lowest win-rate champions. The jungle doesn't help him at all because of him being super squishy. Trying to isolate a camp to do the clear faster only makes it harder to kill the camp and you lose a lot of HP making his early game horrendously weak. Kha'zix is way too reliant on isolation to even do damage, so he can be outpicked easily by other junglers. Also the rise of tank junglers makes Kha'zix too easy to counter and only just makes it more difficult for him to keep up. He as a overall champion can't do much in helping the team except picking off kills himself when someone is roaming (Which he is supposed to do), but if you compare him to other jungler assassins, I.E. Rengar, he is much stronger in the jungler has LOTS of options in his kit than Kha'Zix. If you Kha'zix top lane, he is already out classed by majority of the top laners because of his weak dueling power. I think Kha'zix has a strong kit in terms of damage and mid-game power, but he doesn't have enough to fit the meta :(. Khazix item 3070 Possibly a Kha'zix buff next patch?

HE SHOULD GET A BIG BUFF

Trashkuun1 votes

He can literally take a duskblade and it is GG for him.

Boulderox1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYUQ9MeNAk

he is a tricky character that has very few SOLID build choices for him.

isolation is how he does anything

He is frail when compared season 4

but not useless

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