Top/Mid/Jg carries the game, no one bats an eye, feed bot lane and the boards lose their sh*t

HàrrowR··6 votes·2,745 views

Seriously why is there a 20 upvote post complaining about 18/1 vayne carrying a game and arguing that botlane is the only deciding factor.

If you're 18/1 in 25 mins you should win that damn game i dont care if you're 18/1 Ivern, i swear if Jax solo carries a game with 18/1 you'd just say well its Jax, but if an ADC does it then all hell breaks lose, omg op adcs no counterplay 2 shotting me from 10000 range.

I've been arguing this for a while, people are caught up in this idea that adcs are free gold, whether its cause of "ADCs in 2k17" period or something else and they just freak out whenever they actually lose cause of a fed adc, they literally cannot comprehend that you can't just flash on an adc auto him once and kill him while missing all your combos and while he has a Soraka with healing him.

The only people that are more ignorant than this is the crowd that cries when they get killed by Vayne or any other carry 1v1, like there was a legit post complaining about a 20 kill vayne killing 4/5 ryze in a 1v1. Newsflash a lot of carries actually excel at dueling especially late game like Vayne Draven Lucian Kaisa Xayah Tristana Kalista so if you miss 2 of your skillshots dont try autoattacking them to death and then complaining about them being op when you die to a fed carry

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Craft Zeppelin9 votes

3/7/4 Nasus splitting nobody can 1v1 him: "Yeeeh he is Nasus has stackos" 5/2/3 Jax: "Oooooh It's Jax. SKILLED JUNGLER" 6/3/0 Darius: "Who fed Darius?"

5 kill ADC: "NONONONO RITO GAMES DAT IS NOT ALLOWED"

ChrisBrownze7 votes

Youre actually delusional if you think adc's dont do way too much damage currently. They control the entire late. The better adc wins. Playing tank zac only to be melted by crit jinx in 2 seconds is not balanced.

HàrrowR2 votes

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Youre actually delusional if you think adc's dont do way too much damage currently. They control the entire late. The better adc wins. Playing tank zac only to be melted by crit jinx in 2 seconds is not balanced.

Except Vayne, i'd say no they do not deal too much damage for a class whos literally only function is to deal damage and you're delusional if you think that this game only revolves around who can crit more.

What about ganking,roaming,drakes,rift heralds,baron buffs,split pushing, warding, picking off enemies etc.

A good Leona ult can win you the game as much as a fed Vayne can, nevermind that Karthus actually deals more damage than any damn carry and even if you get caught and die then you're in luck cause you can still press R to literally deal 10 000 free damage to every enemy on the map and spam a bunch of Qs too.

If you really think that damage is the only thing that matters in a game then you have some seriously lackluster understanding of the game, not to mention i literally will almost always have most damage on my team when playing yorrick or any mage mid?

Are you saying things like Zed,Karthus,Yasuo,Yorrick,Fiora,Tryndamere,Kha,Xerath,Zoe dont deal insane amounts of damage? And are you really arguing that they control entire late game which almost doesnt exist in this meta, oh no god forbid adcs have any fun or agency at any point of the game, i cant believe what are you writing, you have junglers and midlaners that are super impactful through out the game, you have splitpushers that can solo win if left unchecked and you still believe that a class that doesnt roam,splitpush or take buffs for the team shouldnt have agency late game...

Vulkus I2 votes

Because toplane carries barely happen

SomeOneButNoOne4 votes

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Because toplane carries barely happen

True, true. looks at Riven winrate/playrate WAIT A SECOND...

Shiroe Okazaki2 votes

People have been saying riven has been op for ages now tho

Critmaster Garen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vulkus I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QTEFWkEH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-04T13:34:25.561+0000)

Because toplane carries barely happen

first of all, this.

second, vaynes winrate and playrate was already high (above 50% wr) before the buff. she was already in the top 3 bot lane carries at the time.

this isnt just a single isolated game were talking about, but shes nearing 30% pick rate and 53% winrate, as a supposedly "high learning curve lategame champion", in a meta thats focused around early game, and with very few beefy targets for her to exploit.

tanks are barely played, and juggernauts if theyre played are mostly building full ad to outburst the champions that would burst them through 5000 health, if they were to build tanker. yet shes one of the strongest carries running around right now.

none of the factors should favour her at the moment. shes so overblown right now, that shes still on top of the food chain, even in the hands of players who barely just picked her up.

the fact that a prestige skin for her was "coincidentally" released as she got this monstrosity of a buff just adds insult to injury.

mack91121 votes

last season was literally all about top and mid

nm10101 votes

There are a few things you have wrong. You assume that people are just complaining about that 18/1 scenario and not the power level of certain characters in general with that 18/1 result as evidence. You assume that the boards doesn't bitch about every champion that stomps them. And I don't think you understand agency vs power at a macro level which is what a lot of people don't like about bot lane.

HàrrowR1 votes

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There are a few things you have wrong. You assume that people are just complaining about that 18/1 scenario and not the power level of certain characters in general with that 18/1 result as evidence. You assume that the boards doesn't bitch about every champion that stomps them. And I don't think you understand agency vs power at a macro level which is what a lot of people don't like about bot lane.

Yes and how do you get 18/1 , 30% of the time, you stomp your lane as an adc, 70% of the time your jg is better and mid roams to 4 man the enemy team 3 times so you can snowball instead

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Yes and how do you get 18/1

because riot decides to buff the champion to a point where she just consistently wins the early game as a lategame scaling "high skill" champion in the hands of meta sheep who play her for her first couple games?

vayne has been overbuffed to sell a skin. thats how she gets there in a lot of games currently.

Shiroe Okazaki1 votes

Adc still and will always be the most important role. Riot balances around them. Right now mid and jg can carry. and very very certain top laners. But when i can go from maining jg to playing adc and consistantly do well theres somehting weird. that and. WHY DOES EVERYONE WANNA NERF EZREAL hes so bad right now. The only hard thing about bot ISNT THE ENEMY ADC its litterally what the enemy support is. If its a mage say good bye to laning. Vayne Kaisa Tristana Xayah are all really good right now. Ive found that with trist or xayah going IE into zeal item. Then a pen item is really good right now. ESPECIALLY ON XAYAH OMG THAT BURST. Adc is OP because the only thing they have to worry about are assassins. Which some you can avoid. Some like rengar you cant avoid.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QTEFWkEH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-04T15:02:45.658+0000)

Adc still and will always be the most important role. Riot balances around them. Right now mid and jg can carry. and very very certain top laners. But when i can go from maining jg to playing adc and consistantly do well theres somehting weird. that and. WHY DOES EVERYONE WANNA NERF EZREAL hes so bad right now. The only hard thing about bot ISNT THE ENEMY ADC its litterally what the enemy support is. If its a mage say good bye to laning. Vayne Kaisa Tristana Xayah are all really good right now. Ive found that with trist or xayah going IE into zeal item. Then a pen item is really good right now. ESPECIALLY ON XAYAH OMG THAT BURST. Adc is OP because the only thing they have to worry about are assassins. Which some you can avoid. Some like rengar you cant avoid.

I also recently found out that item 3031 item 3046 item 3036 works much better than double zeal on any adc that doesnt scale directly with AS, though before the rework and now re-rework i'd always buy IE, Zeal, ER on any crit marksman, more damage means more burst and more ability damage, but people i guess still remember the old double zeal builds and think that's the best

Shiroe Okazaki1 votes

Try a build like that with xyaha. Insane

Moody P1 votes

are you arguing that ADC isn't OP by using an OP bruiser as your comparison?

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