Renekton bullies lane and falls off hard

Big Lincoln·Feb 5, 2017·97 votes·5,795 views

Kennen bullies lane and turns into a teamfight god Brand bullies lane and turns into a teamfight god Zyra bullies lane and turns into a teamfight god

really makes you think

121 Comments

wiggywonkaFeb 6, 201729 votes

oh wow different champs do different things what a surprise

Sraeg2013Feb 6, 20176 votes

You are not wrong, but no champion should be strong at every point of the game.

Wînter FoxFeb 5, 201717 votes

I didn't know Renekton was an AP Mage

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 5, 20175 votes

shhh heres a secret i wanna share with you....

HE'S NOT !!!!

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Wînter FoxFeb 5, 20176 votes

Then why is OP comparing him with AP Mages?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 5, 20173 votes

you are focusing on the wrong part of the equation....

the constant is the team fight aspect of the champs

the variable is the type of champ

Billy VoHagenFeb 6, 20178 votes

There's no equation. He compared 1 melee tank top laner to 3 ap mages. He proved nothing.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 6, 20178 votes

its about strength of champs and where they fall of and dont...

he was talking about champs who are lane bullies but then turn also good team fighters

that is the context...

Troll for TrumpFeb 6, 20176 votes

Renekton was a tank when?

Big LincolnFeb 6, 20173 votes

i compared 1 lane bully to 3 other lane bullies

what stat they build primarily has nothing to do with it

SociopathFriendFeb 6, 20172 votes

That would be an overly simplistic view of both champion and game design- which is why he's correctly pointing out you're comparing Mages (who are meant to be good in teamfights) and whatever Renekton is in the new Fighter subsections as being bad at them.

Big LincolnFeb 5, 20172 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpSIKBF1IiA

SpecterVonBarenFeb 6, 201717 votes

Good friend, do you have time for me to tell you about the greatness that is the Wizard Lizard?

NosnideFeb 5, 201711 votes

Mm I've always been skeptical of these "lane bullies" that "fall off".

Its like pinning 2 guys together and giving one a gun but the other a knife and saying that the bully will eventually run out of bullets. Like you coming out that lane all fucked up, and when you do that lane bully is gunna wreck everyone else. The only way them "falling off" actually works is if you don't die to them which means you either play a very tanky champion, or you play like a bitch. That in of it self is already strong af in my opinion. I play wukong, perhaps my perspective is very biased towards me usually being the one that is being bullied.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 5, 20173 votes

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Mm I've always been skeptical of these "lane bullies" that "fall off".

Its like pinning 2 guys together and giving one a gun but the other a knife and saying that the bully will eventually run out of bullets. Like you coming out that lane all fucked up, and when you do that lane bully is gunna wreck everyone else. The only way them "falling off" actually works is if you don't die to them which means you either play a very tanky champion, or you play like a bitch. That in of it self is already strong af in my opinion. I play wukong, perhaps my perspective is very biased towards me usually being the one that is being bullied.

That's the point, you play like a bitch and then destroy him afterwards despite being down 30 cs. Or you go into teamfights and watch them melt in half a second.

NosnideFeb 5, 20174 votes

Yea I understand the theory of it, but in practice it can be much different. Imagine me Wukong laning against a Darius. He will deny me farm. I will have fallen behind. If he gets ganks eventually they can even dive me. So I might end up giving a kill regardless. Heck, he can dive you right at the edge of turret range by pulling you, doing a combo and R. Wrecked.

What would I be expected to do against him mid-late game? Nothing, I cant touch him. So the only possible way would be if your team can carry you. See where this is going? How can you carry yourself when laning in these conditions? It is very difficult, more difficult then in a lane that is about skill. Simply because its designed to be that way.

Spaceman5pffFeb 5, 201711 votes

Renekton is quite good in teamfights. He almost always will have access to a 900 range gapcloser in teamfights, this leads to targeted lockdown on the backline.

Sure he isn't an AOE CC monster, but as far a bruiser / fighters go, not many top renekton when it comes to teamfighting.

TANK Renekton falls off in damage lategame. That does not mean Renekton is a bad teamfighter.

Lee Sin damage falls off late if he builds tanky, but that doesn't mean he can't teamfight or still be incredibly effective.

HateDaddyFeb 5, 20175 votes

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Renekton is quite good in teamfights. He almost always will have access to a 900 range gapcloser in teamfights, this leads to targeted lockdown on the backline.

Sure he isn't an AOE CC monster, but as far a bruiser / fighters go, not many top renekton when it comes to teamfighting.

TANK Renekton falls off in damage lategame. That does not mean Renekton is a bad teamfighter.

Lee Sin damage falls off late if he builds tanky, but that doesn't mean he can't teamfight or still be incredibly effective.

Okay and if you build anything other than 1 damage item + full tank, you die instantly. And with this build, your damage falls off like a rock. Same for Lee.

Galactic PimpFeb 6, 20176 votes

aye, no matter how well Renekton plays a 4-6 item teamfight, a Poppy or Maokai will do way more than him, even being down 2k+ gold.

Same goes for lee compared to a champion like Zac

I don't know why people are even trying to dispute this, tbh.

Spaceman5pffFeb 6, 20172 votes

Because the point of Renekton is to snowball your lane early, push that advantage onto other parts of the map, and start snowballing your WHOLE TEAM before the enemy catches up.

That is how lane dominant picks work. People that play them and sit in lane all game are useless.

Lee Sin works the SAME way, it is just more effective because he is a jungler.

Galactic PimpFeb 6, 20172 votes

Nobody is saying that can't happen, but you trying to convince people that Renekton is good in teamfights is just plain silly.

Not bashing your main, just fact bruh.

RexSaurFeb 5, 201710 votes

Poppy Maokai Are good at every phase of the game, are always useful regardless if they are 10-0 or 0-10.

McFatalFeb 5, 201736 votes

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Are good at every phase of the game, are always useful regardless if they are 10-0 or 0-10.

a 0-10 maokai is nothing but a walking snare and an ulti.

he does no damage and is squishy if he has that kind of score.

Jet SettFeb 5, 201710 votes

I mean if any of the champions listed were 0-10 they'd be even more useless because of their lack of utility in comparison, you're really overlooking the impact tanks can have even when behind.

WoonStruckFeb 5, 20179 votes

Considering damage in the game atm, not really.

A behind Cait spamming W is going to much more reliably provide significant utility than a behind Maokai in fights.

In any other meta outside of seasons 6 and 7, I'd definitely agree with you, though.

VenomarFeb 6, 20172 votes

As an 0-10 Maokai , can confirm.

vOmvbrawfUFeb 5, 20179 votes

Renekton bullies lane and turns into a teamfight god

Kennen bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks Brand bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks Zyra bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks

Really makes you think.

DaNinadFeb 5, 201731 votes

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Renekton bullies lane and turns into a teamfight god

Kennen bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks Brand bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks Zyra bullies lane and dies to 3 autoattacks

Really makes you think.

Since when is renekton a teamfight god

Genocide VictimFeb 5, 201714 votes

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Since when is renekton a teamfight god

Since bronze declared him one i guess

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 5, 201716 votes

Renekton teamfight god

Pick one

AptestFeb 5, 20173 votes

yeah. I've never been disappointed with late game renektons and their players... ...but to call him a team fight god is a bit of a stretch.

5000000000000000Feb 5, 20179 votes

Does Renekton fall off hard? Ever since juggernaut changes, I think he makes use of item 3071 item 3748 well enough to not really fall off.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 6, 20175 votes

He falls off, he just has a step under the cliff to stand on so he doesn't fall in the ocean.

Genocide VictimFeb 5, 20177 votes

Mage bias

SnowplosionFeb 6, 20176 votes

Maybe because two of the rely on skill shots to be able to bully. Not to mention they suck at dueling unlike Renekton. And they don't get tanky. Yeah, that comparison is apples to oranges, my friend.

dominusxFeb 6, 20173 votes

Kennen ulti isnt a skillshot. brand ulti isnt a skillshot. Zyra plants just get triggered even if she misses her skillshot ontop of the champ. cut the crap. they dont need to get tanky because you die before you even reach them.

AxxukaFeb 6, 20174 votes

Brand and Zyra are VERY squishy and die instantly if caught out of position... Zyra needs to be in a ''not-so-safe'' range for her ult while brand needs the same for his E (quite essential to pop a passive with everyone...) and sometimes his ult.

Meanwhile Renekton damage is low late game, but is a tank (normally).

Kennen ult dmg low is now quite unless you stick for the full duration, the CC is threat but not the initial damage, you got time to react unlike some assassins cough But yeah, I still Agree kennen late game is quite strong for a lane bully (he's far from squishy, more durable then most mages even when going melee for the ult)

AhristocatsFeb 5, 20172 votes

Maokai what about him?

HateDaddyFeb 5, 20174 votes

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what about him?

I don't consider him a lane bully. His risk/reward is very moderate. Poppy on the other hand...

AhristocatsFeb 5, 20172 votes

risk? he spams Q in lane to harass and has top 1 attack speed and ad at level 1 wtf is this champ his passive makes him staying in lane forever i don't get why maokai is allowed to do this

HateDaddyFeb 5, 20173 votes

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risk? he spams Q in lane to harass and has top 1 attack speed and ad at level 1 wtf is this champ his passive makes him staying in lane forever i don't get why maokai is allowed to do this

His Q is telegraphed tbh.

And he has a hard time with bruisers, more specifically juggernauts. Honorable mentions to Riven/Yasuo who just all-in him and shit on him. He's also got some pretty excessive mana costs to boot.

I legit don't lose to this champion and I admit I'm bias because I play him and some of his counters but he's nowhere near as overbearing as Poppy or Nautilus.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 6, 20171 votes

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His Q is telegraphed tbh.

And he has a hard time with bruisers, more specifically juggernauts. Honorable mentions to Riven/Yasuo who just all-in him and shit on him. He's also got some pretty excessive mana costs to boot.

I legit don't lose to this champion and I admit I'm bias because I play him and some of his counters but he's nowhere near as overbearing as Poppy or Nautilus.

Pretty sure Yasuo gets fucked by Darius.

HateDaddyFeb 6, 20173 votes

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Pretty sure Yasuo gets fucked by Darius.

What does that have to do with anything lol

LordSirChipmunkFeb 6, 20172 votes

I'd like to add that Renekton's gameplay style fits his character and lore really well, and is a perfect contrast to Nasus's long-term plan, in both lore and gameplay. I don't play against Brand and Zyra that much, but I can say that Kennen, Brand, and Zyra don't have gameplay to match up to their lore and character as much as Renekton. GJ Riot on the Shurima Renekton/Nasus rivalry and contrast.

agbudarFeb 6, 20172 votes

Jayce Yasuo Zed Kled

all have that problem with being bullies but not falling off

SpecterVonBarenFeb 6, 20171 votes

Eh... Kennen isn't really a teamfight god, he's really just an ult bot in terms of teamfights. Brand and Zyra on the other hand, yes.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 6, 20172 votes

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Eh... Kennen isn't really a teamfight god, he's really just an ult bot in terms of teamfights. Brand and Zyra on the other hand, yes.

And his ult happens to be a hilariously strong teamfight deciding ability... so him being an ult bot is irrelevant, he's a teamfight god.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 6, 20172 votes

A teamfight god is someone that is good in teamfights because of most of their kit. Kennen is not one of those champions. For God's sakes, stop with the hyperbole, just say his ult is too powerful in teamfights, it accomplishes the same thing of pointing out that you think he's too strong late for his early game power without having to say he's some kind of god of teamfighting.

AdriqnoheeFeb 6, 20171 votes

A teamfight god is someone that can decide the fight entirely by themselves, it doesn't matter what tool they use, as long as they can win the fight for their team without assistance they are teamfight gods.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 6, 20171 votes

That means everyone is a teamfight god then....