%hp Shields Heals Mobility Slows Stuns Knockback cage, really, poor Xin/Jarvan Physical damage Magic damage True damage % hp damage Low cooldowns Attack speed steroids and resets Movement steroids
Yea this is totally not going to be pure cancer with a tank/bruiser build
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GreenLore20 votesThe thing is that unlike Ekko,Camille is designed to build bruiser-items.
She is a fighter,wheras Ekko was supposed to be an assassin/skirmisher.
Zero Skill Tank2 votesWho said she is a fighter? Her skillset definitely screams "skirmisher".
GreenLore12 votesIt says so on the champion reveal page..... http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/champion-reveal-camille-steel-shadow
Also a few rioters have commented on Camille being a fighter(more precisely a diver)
Zero Skill Tank1 votesOld tags are obsolete, don't bother looking on them.
But if Rioters said that, they are probably right.
GreenLore17 votesWhat old tag are you talking about? I mean the freaking reveal page won't use outdated tags and the definition of Divers as a subclass of Fighters was established in this year and is still used.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
An outdated tag would be classes like "jungler" or "carry" since those aren't used anymore(at least not officially)
MohawkBird4 votes[deleted]
EROTIC RAID BOSS7 votesI've been a Camille main for 2 years
NightmareAmazoX2 votesThat's nothing, I have been a Camille main for 69 years!
Sraeg20132 votesAre you her father?
A Liberal2 votes
reaperteaser1 votesi was thinking viktor, i see them getting along well
NightmareAmazoX1 votes...................
Astôlfo5 votesAnd then you realize if she builds full damage, she dies in half a second. If she builds full tank, she can only kill a blitheringly stupid idiot. And if she builds bruiser as she's intended to, she can duel and kill people, but also be equally well outplayed with good enemy teamwork and intelligence.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesSo basically she's another irelia? (as in playstyle/build not kit wise)
Arakadia2 votesYes.
Serika Zero3 votesAt least she doesn't have an AoE stun........... oh wait
Spaceman5pff3 votesto be fair, it is a pretty small area, and is pretty short. She also can't stun you if you put minions between you and her (2nd jump)
Serika Zero2 votessadly she is still highly overloaded :( and that will cause balance issues in the future :(
that being said, I really like her double jump and ultimate, as well as her passive. But, still not on live ^^
Spaceman5pff1 votesIve been playing with / against her / as her on PBE and it is much easier to keep track of what she can do and when she can do it than say, Ekko.
Her kit sounds very overloaded, but the key is that most of it is conditional and not multipurpose. I wouldn't say she is any more overloaded than Renekton, and she doesn't have the defensive tools that someone like Ekko does. The danger in overloading comes with mixing offense AND defense.
Serika Zero2 votesi highly disagree with that. The danger of having an overloaded character is the balance issues which will appear in the future.
Spaceman5pff1 votesI think you either misread (or didn't read) my comment.
I wasn't saying that the result of overloading was mixed offense / defense. I was saying that the result of too much mixed offense / defense (ekko) is an overloaded kit.
As Camille is more kitted out for offense than Ekko, I doubt we will see such issues of the type Ekko caused. Sure she might be too strong, but I doubt it will be a result of being overloaded.
Serika Zero2 votesI did. Sadly Kamille has that too. She gets defensive from her passive (which I think is very cool). She gets defensive from becoming untargetable (ult) She gets defensive from her mobility (e, which again I think is super cool) She gets defensive from her W (which can slow the enemy making it harder to reach her) She gets defensive from knocking enemies away (ult)
And then all the types of damage she does with her kit (magic, psychical and true damage) as offensive capabilities. And a stun to allow chase downs or engages.
An overloaded kit gives the champion the ability to do a lot of multiple things. I mean. Look at Viktor. His kit lets him wave clear, zone control, aoe dmg and burst damage. That's about it, not overloaded.
Now look at Thresh. His kit allows him to engage, disengage, peal, save allies, poke in lane, stop dashes and shield an ally. If he gets a buff, even indirectly, it would cause balance issues. Similar to lee sin which again is supposed to be high skill cap hero. He is so overloaded that for a very high skill cap, he has 50% win rate or higher while being in the top 5 most popular heroes in the game. Ekko has more utility than utility supports in terms of how many things it can do, while also having higher damage output.
Personally I think Camille looks very cool and interesting to play. But they overloaded her with types of damage. Even if not a lot, it would be a nightmare to balance. Her Q does true damage on second strike, her W does %map hp damage, her R allows her to do magic damage, and her normal attacks do physical damage. Same reason if fiora gets a slight buff, she goes bad shit crazy as she deals a lot of true damage, combined with high mobility.
Spaceman5pff1 votesI can't think of any clearer way to explain my point, so I am sorry you do not understand what it is I am trying to say.
Serika Zero1 votesi'm getting it. you think overloading is fine unless there's a huge mix of offense and defense
while I'm against a character having 99 options and abilities, except a bitch, that ain't one. Like seriously, she can: Do true damage Do Magic damage Do AD damage Do %max hp damage Slow. Stun in aoe. Mobility to move around. Increased attack speed. Shield. Heal. Increase moving speed. Knock back targets. Lock targets into a zone. Wave push. Untargetability.
She is only missing "ranged attacks". She has CC (almost all forms of it baring something like fear/taunt/charm/silence), she has all forms of damage and a way to heal and shield herself.....
I like the character overall myself. But Magic Damage, %max hp damage, Heal, AoE stun (was ok with just single target stun), and the movement speed buff were not necessary and are overloading the character.
as a comparison. Ekko can: Stun Slow Shield Heal Movement speed buff Mobility to move around Wave push Untargetability
Spaceman5pff1 votesYou, I see, have fallen victim to the "list everything a champion does and they are overloaded" issue.
Renekton. good base stats manaless AOE Damage Heal that increases by units hit manaless can generate fury by autoattacking point-and-click targeted stun that applies onhit effects 2 times Can increase his AA range can apply onhits 3 times with stun if he has 50 fury can animation cancel all of his abilities using hydra or ult, and can animation cancel hydra with Q, E and ult. Free, untargeted mobility Armor shred EXTRA mobility if he hits people with the first dash FREE HP INSTANTLY with ult FREE SUNFIRE CAPE with ult Ult increases size of Q
Thing is, you never see people bitch about Renekton being overloaded. He is actually BETTER at disengaging fights than Camille, if in the hands of a good player. He has MORE control over when/where to fight and for how long. He is also naturaly tankier and has a very good earlygame. His teamfighting may be poor but his ability to deal with people 1v1 does not go away.
I can come up with a whole slew of champions that are overloaded if Camille is overloaded.
Let me post a complete Ekko list for you. 2 sources of onhit damage % HP Damage % Missing HP Damage MS Buff Slow Waveclear that applies his passive AOE Stun Shield Zone Control Untargeted Dash Targeted Blink + Damage that applies Onhits + his passive Untargetability x2 Escape Heal MASSIVE nuke that applies his passive
CAMILLE CANNOT: (incoming list of things you say camille can do even though she cannot, or things she does poorly even though you list them as strengths) Knock back targets. Camille has no control over who she knocks back, she cannot target people to knock them back. Wave Push. ANY Champion can, she is actually quite weak at it. Magic Damage. She has a SMALL about of onhit magic damage tied to her ultimate. Not her primary damage type, and not worth accounting for when itemizing vs her. Mobility: She does have good mobility, but is is restricted by the availability of walls and enemy champions. It is not free - untargeted mobility. Heal. Her heal is not exactly big. Renekton gets a SIGNIFICANTLY larger heal than her on a much more useable cooldown. It is also very capped vs certain non-player targets.
Serika Zero1 votesKnock back targets. Camille has no control over who she knocks back, she cannot target people to knock them back.
she does, she knocks back everyone except her main target
Wave Push. ANY Champion can, she is actually quite weak at it. She has her W, and is AD, naturally building into Tiamat. Renekton as you gave as an example has his Q for wave push which is pretty much the same as Camille's wave push ability. Except rene maxes his first. A champion with no wave push: Original Fiora. Which is why she HAD to buy tiamat and hydra every game.
She still does magic damage, even if its a little, it will cause balancing problems in the future. Take Ezreal for example, his Q only did a little extra thing, applying spell effects.............. runegleive happened and Ezreal was fucking broken.
Mobility restricted by walls, when the entire map is formed by walls. Its also a 2 way mobility, allowing her to go over distance very few heroes can. If anything, her mobility is great. Same tier as Tristana or Zed. Not Fiora, Lee Sin, Yasuo tier. But still very good.
Her heal is still a heal. Its there as a "patch". Riot will argue it being there as a way to limit her "power budged". Again, making it so that it will be very very difficult to keep her balanced.
I feel the same way about her as I feel about Jhin. Broken But at least i like her :)
Astôlfo1 votes"overloaded"
A Liberal3 votesBut... isn't she a bruiser diver anyway?
She was never meant to be an assassin....
L0ve Is Blue2 votesthings to take into account:
2.Unlike ekko, she only has a way in or out. If she goes in she is in and has to either do her job or get wrecked
Jarvan: Deals damage in an AOE, can trap multiple targets, lasts longer Xin: Deals damage in an aoe, isolate one target. Camille: isolate one target and prevents them from fleeing
Spaceman5pff2 votesDon't forget that (unless it has changed) Xin gets resists for ulting
L0ve Is Blue1 votesYep! He does! For every champ he hits he gets armor and MR
Spaceman5pff1 votesJust checked his champion page. At rank 3 it is 25 armor + mr per champ hit, meaning a cap of 125 if he hits 5.
That is actually a bit crazy, wow.
Serika Zero1 votesAnd does more damage to that target with her auto attacks. So, its more like forced kha isolation effect for her auto attacks. And she IS an auto attack based hero, not a caster
MLDzXnRRR1 votesCamille on the PBE right now is an assasin/skirmisher... I don't see what's the point of building tanky on her? Ekko became tank/fighter/jungler, because he was (and still is) unreliable assasin with delayed burst + trash laning mid. Just look his winrates mid - he is playable only vs other bottom tier midlaners...
AcidTheWarlock1 votesEkko rn has like a 53% winrate in mid. He's great into assassins since he can roam well and negate any sort of level 6 all-in.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesEkko rn has like a 53% winrate in mid. He's great into assassins since he can roam well and negate any sort of level 6 all-in.
Look his winrate and matchups on any datamining site - he is good only vs bottom tier midlaners... I guess Ekko pickers know when to choose him.
AcidTheWarlock1 votesI never really thought Fizz was too bad at the moment. I can see Kat and Akali as pretty much dumpstered, but not Xerath or Veigar.
Spaceman5pff2 votesCAMILLE: 
She won't want to be built full tank, ideally. She will want damage with survivability. That being said, don't color me surprised if she gets built full tank all the time.
A Liberal1 votesReav3 also clarified Camille's class as a diver: "Shes a Diver" Reav3 added: "Quote: So seeing how there's plans for a Diver class update sometime next year (either midseason or preseason), does Cami represent Riot's modern vision of what a Diver is? You know, similar to how Nasus represented Riot's vision of what a Juggernaut is. I'm just curious to see if Cami is the direction Riot plans to push Divers. Obviously, I doubt she's the ideal Diver. I mean it be pretty bizarre to release a new Diver then push the rest of the class in a different direction. Yes! She is a pretty good representation of the direction we want to take with Divers in the future."
Chimp Joker1 votesCamille has true damage?
Hyperiön2 votesOn the second part of her Q.
Chimp Joker1 votes:0
Hyperiön1 votesIts not a big amount, only like 3 percent of her bonus AD or something I think.
WoonStruck1 votesTry 22%-80% of her total AD.
And its crit interaction is going to be kept, apparently.
Catastrop6 votesActually, it's being removed. The actual auto will crit but not the true damage portion.
Stars Shaper1 votesAnd before the last PTR it could also crit xD
AkabaneKun2 votesCamille has true damage?
That crits yes, for more than 1k dmg if you build for it, i saw her one shot ppl with one AA.
Spaceman5pff3 votesAmazing what you can do when you are fed building full damage.
Here are some other champions that I've seen oneshot people with a single AA when fed:
(Q i guess but still) 
JavelinJoe1 votesTrue, but most of those don't have true damage and a "1v1" ability which you cant escape from by any means.
Spaceman5pff1 votesFor what it is worth, Tahm Kench can remove you from the area, the only catch is that if you Unload the Toad before the ult expires, you get pulled back in.
