Garen has 53% win rate and is played at mid lane 10% of the time at Diamond. Can this be hotfixed?

Yenn··4 votes·1,008 views

This is actually one of the most ridiculous balancing fuck ups in the history of League, and that's saying a lot.

As a mage, there is no way to meaningfully interact with him, which guarantees that he 'wins' the lane or at least goes even and takes plates.

Attempting to poke him is pointless, because he has so much health regeneration that he'll just heal through it between waves. You'll eventually run out of mana and he'll take your plates.

Since you can't cause lasting damage, the only option is to burst him, which also isn't possible, because he can intercept it with W and disengage before you get a second round off (or just kill you, since all of your abilities are on cooldown).

His damage is also so high that he can either kill or almost kill most casters in the duration of silence. I just had a match up as Vel'koz against Garen where, when his Flash was up, he would just eat my Q and counter the slow with his W, Flash over my E, and kill me through Barrier as soon as I got out of silence.

Garen is currently a viable mid lane pick to counter almost any caster or assassin. This is not okay and should be hotfix worthy.

6 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

That's....not hotfix worthy. 53% 10% isn't so massively overbearing that it justifies a hotfix.

Yenn2 votes

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That's....not hotfix worthy. 53% 10% isn't so massively overbearing that it justifies a hotfix.

Except he's functioning as a 'no questions asked' counter to 90% of the mid lane roster with absolutely no skill component involved. Just by picking Garen, you automatically 'win' mid lane because your opponent can't interact with you.

You can eat every ability thrown at you and it doesn't matter, because your passive regen will top you off between waves in the best case, and in the worst case, you can just disengage because no champion can kill you in a single rotation.

That is absolutely hotfix worthy. Riot specifically did not want 100% uninteractive lanes like this to exist, starting many seasons ago.

Emelie Cauchemar1 votes

It's actually 56% wr with 3% playrate mid and 54% wr top with 17% playrate. It's pre hotfix worthy tbh. But then, Ashhe is pre busted too right now.

HeresyHorus1 votes

Just stop playing mages already Yenn...

They have no early damage, handicapped by mana & cdr, useless while thier spells are on cd, unreliable damage & cc, thier cc is easily countered by %51 tenacity from just boots + rune.

Have u seen Fanatic morg+blitz bot recently? It was aweful and pretty much highlited why mages suck compared to ad champs in any lane. Game Casters took note of that too.

Both morg and blitz held on thier Qs too long because they knew they will be useless if they missed thier skillshots. Often resulting in taking too much free damage from autoes and even dying many times due to it without even having the chance to use thier Qs meaningfully...

Just go play tristana, vayne, Lucian, jayce, ez, xayah or quinn mid and take a free dump on any melee or mage mid including garden, irelia and renekton.

The only thing some mages got going for them against noobs is the sorc+oblivion rush which is easily countered by just merc boot rush + Mr flex rune + nullifying orb rune.

Yenn1 votes

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Just stop playing mages already Yenn...

They have no early damage, handicapped by mana & cdr, useless while thier spells are on cd, unreliable damage & cc, thier cc is easily countered by %51 tenacity from just boots + rune.

Have u seen Fanatic morg+blitz bot recently? It was aweful and pretty much highlited why mages suck compared to ad champs in any lane. Game Casters took note of that too.

Both morg and blitz held on thier Qs too long because they knew they will be useless if they missed thier skillshots. Often resulting in taking too much free damage from autoes and even dying many times due to it without even having the chance to use thier Qs meaningfully...

Just go play tristana, vayne, Lucian, jayce, ez, xayah or quinn mid and take a free dump on any melee or mage mid including garden, irelia and renekton.

The only thing some mages got going for them against noobs is the sorc+oblivion rush which is easily countered by just merc boot rush + Mr flex rune + nullifying orb rune.

Garen shits on everything, not just mages.

Even as ADC, if I'm pretty far ahead, he can flash on me and kill me before I get out of silence with just Trinity Force. He's basically immune to CC because he has so much tenacity. There's no counterplay to this bullshit, and it's impossible for him to lose his lane, so there's no chance of stopping him before he finishes his first item.

Every single Garen I've encountered today has both low games on Garen and 70-80% win rate. It's completely fucking insane that he isn't being hotfixed.

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