If people build zero defense

RenownedWheat42·Feb 3, 2018·20 votes·1,287 views

Why is it asinine to them that they can be killed by someone who builds no damage, or even a single damage item?

Someone with a full tank build shouldn't be able to do like 500 total damage lategame to an ADC with like 70 armor or 40 mr, tops. You're building LITERALLY NO DEFENSE, so even though you get armor/mr/hp per level, we all also get damage per level and our skills start to hit harder.

Now consider that some tanks WILL build damage, like RoA on Maokai, and it's just one more reason you SHOULD be able to get chunked out from a tank's full rotation.

24 Comments

chipndip1Feb 3, 201817 votes

They also complain about being slain by burst mages...with no MR...

AbibyamaFeb 4, 20182 votes

But mages are weak!

chipndip1Feb 4, 20182 votes

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But mages are weak!

Too many intertwining circlejerks.

NaymlissFeb 4, 20181 votes

I'll complain if I get 1/2 shot by a fizz when I have mercs, merc scim and a hexdrinker because I dedicated gold into items that aren't doing anything for me.

DameshiFeb 3, 201814 votes

On the flip side, why is it okay for an adc to kill a full build tank in 3 seconds or less?

AimléssFeb 3, 201814 votes

If a full build tank is diying in 3 seconds he likely ran into the entire enemy team by himself and got focused down by everybody, but since the ADC was there you just assumed the ADC melted him alone... Boards, what are we doing man?

FOR JUSTICEFeb 3, 20186 votes

I think you have it just a tad backwards. the tank isn't doing loads of damage, the adc is just that squishy. this varies of course, but its a general rule of thumb. just this season makes it more apparent.

RenownedWheat42Feb 3, 201815 votes

No that's actually what I'm saying. It's not a ton of damage, Squishies are just building zero defense.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 3, 20188 votes

OMGGG KHAZIX IS SO BROKEN ONESHOTTING ME

(refuses to build G.A and frequents solo travel)

classic low elo (like me item 3070 )

Brain Errör 404Feb 3, 20182 votes

You build a GA and come back to me telling me, "I built a GA and Kha no longer 1 shot me". Lmfao.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 3, 20182 votes

Usually you´ll need GA+ninja tabi but close enough.

EndlessSorcererFeb 3, 20185 votes

In this game, damage is designed to outscale defense.

(Un)surprisingly, this applies to base damage and base defense too.

Lios AshenbladeFeb 3, 20184 votes

that was always supposed to be the checks and balances thing, like it or not tank abilities have damage on them, so if your ad crits for 1k, the tanks defenses mitigate it down to half or so, if the tank hits you for 500 damage, your defense will mitigate it down to much less since you did not build any defensive items, and since the tank has 3-4k hp easily, and you have 2-3k hp, that chunk looks bigger on your squishy ass

Devilreaper XIIIFeb 3, 20183 votes

other problems are item 3071 item 3146 item 3156 item 3057

bc + maw on lee makes him tanky as fk and does massive damage sheen can be build into item 3025 for tankyness...... AND offense [slayer-jinx-unamused] and hextech gunblade gives sustain, these items are just way too op and all for tanks .-.

RevaliFeb 3, 20181 votes

IBG Doesn't offer as much damage as its other two options, and gives no health, it's more of a bruiser item then anything, and frequented by those who also wish to build mana, like Ornn.

SpaghettiVaseFeb 3, 20182 votes

Or by people who can proc the slow passive for a large AOE effect namely Malphite and Sejuani

Devilreaper XIIIFeb 4, 20181 votes

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IBG Doesn't offer as much damage as its other two options, and gives no health, it's more of a bruiser item then anything, and frequented by those who also wish to build mana, like Ornn.

it still gives armor 20% cdr and spellblade .-. its still a tank item O,O

AirKingNeoFeb 3, 20182 votes

Tanks shouldn't deal damage because they enable other people to deal more damage. You either reduce their ability to enable damage (reduce CC) or reduce their damage.

Lios AshenbladeFeb 3, 20184 votes

petition to arm the tanks with pillows and just have them sit around waiting to be killed last every fight because they have no urgency even if they push to the back line

AimléssFeb 3, 20181 votes

Why does the guy with 0 offense still get to one shot the guy with 0 defense? Why should the tank get all the benefits of his defensive items and still get to one shot? That doesn't make any sense, if anything it should be a good even ground, and ADCs should be the only one's the tank can deal meaningful burst to (Allowing the tank to make it easier for his team to follow up and finish off the ADC), but the tank should not be able to burst down the ADC alone if no one follows up on his combo.

TehNACHOFeb 3, 20181 votes

Ayy lmao

MogarlFeb 3, 20181 votes

Not exactly.

A full tank is fighting a glass cannon marksman. The Tank kills the marksman because they don't have defensive items. It's easy in this situation to say that the marksman should have built mr, but as great as some of those options are they still lower your damage output. So it is completely possible for itemization options to leave a squishy with no options that allows them to out damage the tank.

Personally I'm a Viktor main so I don't care that much about the situation of marksman, but this isn't completely false for mages either so I think it's worth saying.

Jinx HunterFeb 4, 20182 votes

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Not exactly.

A full tank is fighting a glass cannon marksman. The Tank kills the marksman because they don't have defensive items. It's easy in this situation to say that the marksman should have built mr, but as great as some of those options are they still lower your damage output. So it is completely possible for itemization options to leave a squishy with no options that allows them to out damage the tank.

Personally I'm a Viktor main so I don't care that much about the situation of marksman, but this isn't completely false for mages either so I think it's worth saying.

You cant have your cake and eat it too. you don't want to pop like a balloon? Build MR, you want damage? Build damage. You have to make a trade off and choice. You don't get to have EVERYTHING.

MogarlFeb 4, 20182 votes

But tanks get to last 3 seconds under full fire from a team and pop squishies? The same tanks that frequently have methods to engage?

No. That isn't any better because now you're leaving Assassins and Divers without a niche. Even Mages get hit by that since most tanks have heavy aoe.

Alistar Amumu Galio JarvanIV Maokai Gragas Nautilus Ornn Poppy Sejuani Shen Warwick Zac (Exception for Malphite against full ad)

None of these champions should be able to pop someone when building full tank, and item 3800 should be heavily reworked or removed. Since it doesn't really help juggernauts, and breaks a bunch of other champs. As fun as Righteous glory, Deadman's Plate, Predator Cho is, I can see why people would be frustrated by it.

Tanks should have enough sustained damage to be a threat to a carry that's ignoring them. Tanks should not have enough burst to pop a carry that get's too close to them. Punishing carries for building glass cannon is an Assassin, Burst mage, Diver, or Duelist's job, not a Tank's job.