@Riot - Where is Sona among all these changes to AP and…

RedCyclone · 2015-09-09T12:47:49.423Z

Because she isn't perfect, she takes little effort to do well with, but you realize that there are much better supports out there with a better skill ceiling and that they are also much more interactive and "decision making" then Sona is She has very little control in her hands when she is fully supporting, it usually looks like she is doing nothing, but she still churns out so much invisible power (Yes, still) that you could be braindead and play her The only time Sona is fully in control of her own power is when she is full AP, because when she is building AP she can actually 100% a squishy, or turn around and get a double, much more noticeable then being a glowing circle in a mash of teamfights... Every other utility and AP support seems to be getting looked into, Nami, Janna, Lulu, Karma, Bard, Zyra, Morg... where is Sona in these changes? and with the same importance where are Annie changes?

BooriinSep 9, 20151 votes

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Counterpicking does not equal counterplaying. Champions like Morgana, Zyra, Lulu, Annie, Taric, Janna and Zilean all have problems when Sona is strong because they cannot respond to her poke.

If a Sona can easily outplay you, that mean you are bad, how about play passive and call jungler to gank her? Sona lane is easy to gank.

Wanna counter ? Stand still and hit her when she get close

Zyra and Annie ( and even Morgana ) are suppose to be mid laner, you expect them to beat a true support easily on bottom lane? GJ Sona

Zilean passive is outdate , he need help.

If a Janna having trouble with Sona , then that Janna is bad.

Lulu is suppose to do well on both Bot and mid lane so she will have same problem just like mage on bot lane. But a good Lulu won't have much problem with Sona, if both Lulu and her ADC are smart then Sona won't have any chance to AA poke Luu's ADC because they can burst her easily.

Soraka can only easily out sustain Sona because Sona's heal is kept abysmally weak. Before her rework, Sona was able to out heal Soraka consistently.

Soraka can make Sona poke useless and if Soraka's ADC is smart, he can easily win trade Sona or even kill her when Sona get close to poke. Before rework Sona can out heal Soraka if they play on Aram with long teamfight, in term of burst heal, Soraka still win, not mention that she can heal mana too.

The Yetii RiderSep 9, 20151 votes

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If a Sona can easily outplay you, that mean you are bad, how about play passive and call jungler to gank her? lane is easy to gank.

Wanna counter ? Stand still and hit her when she get close

and ( and even ) are suppose to be mid laner, you expect them to beat a true support easily on bottom lane? GJ

passive is outdate , he need help.

If a having trouble with , then that is bad.

is suppose to do well on both Bot and mid lane so she will have same problem just like mage on bot lane. But a good won't have much problem with Sona, if both and her ADC are smart then Sona won't have any chance to AA poke Luu's ADC because they can burst her easily.

can make poke useless and if Soraka's ADC is smart, he can easily win trade Sona or even kill her when Sona get close to poke. Before rework can out heal if they play on Aram with long teamfight, in term of burst heal, still win, not mention that she can heal mana too.

Sorry to say this but I'm not the one you need to convince. I am delivering the message Riot has given us with every Sona update. You may think everything I said was incorrect, but those are the opinions of the game designers, and that is why Sona is not being looked at seriously.

RedCycloneSep 9, 20151 votes

A problem when viable you mean, needing changes you mean?

The Yetii RiderSep 9, 20151 votes

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A problem when viable you mean, needing changes you mean?

No, a problem when strong. Sona is perfectly viable in the same way that Karthus is viable. She is weak early and strong late. Her power is measured around being able to buff 5 allies at once, which she cannot do in lane, but in team fights she is a monster.

Zorae42Sep 9, 20152 votes

Are you kidding me? Annie deletes Sona. At least with blitz and thresh you can hide behind minions. Annie zones Sona just by being in bot lane. She has more burst than Sona can handle, and her stun is devastating.

Morg, Lulu, and Zyra depend on who gets more fed/are skill matchups. They also have a lot of poke that scales better than Sona's and they have more accessible CC. Since Sona's heal is so bad, it just depends on who manages to poke better/scale better. Although because they have better CC, they tend to be better at ganks/defending against ganks, whichs gives them a better chance of getting ahead. Unless Sona can land a clutch ult when needed.

Taric and Zilean need help. She should do well against Janna since poke counters disengage.

The Yetii RiderSep 9, 20151 votes

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Are you kidding me? Annie deletes Sona. At least with blitz and thresh you can hide behind minions. Annie zones Sona just by being in bot lane. She has more burst than Sona can handle, and her stun is devastating.

Morg, Lulu, and Zyra depend on who gets more fed/are skill matchups. They also have a lot of poke that scales better than Sona's and they have more accessible CC. Since Sona's heal is so bad, it just depends on who manages to poke better/scale better. Although because they have better CC, they tend to be better at ganks/defending against ganks, whichs gives them a better chance of getting ahead. Unless Sona can land a clutch ult when needed.

Taric and Zilean need help. She should do well against Janna since poke counters disengage.

The only reason Annie deletes Sona is her intentionally weak base stats and heal. If Riot was to buff Sona, she would zone out Annie with her 700 range undodgeable poke.

You can't claim that a match is a skill match up when one party's damage is guaranteed. The only "skill" there is responding to poke, and even that was a problem before Riot nerfed her move speed. Sona's Hymn of Valor has no cast time and deals it's damage without needing to aim the cursor or anything. It just requires proximity and vision. There's no skill there.

Zorae42Sep 9, 20152 votes

Hahahahahaha. Sona's Q does pitiful dmg and has an 8 sec CD. All of her poke is from her power chord empowered AAs, which are also undodgeable but require her to be within 550 range (well within Annie's range).

What takes skill is trying to poke with your power chords while staying in a relatively safe position. Especially since they all out range her significantly (even just her Qs). Yes, a large portion of the "skill" involved is on the Zyra/Morg/Lulu to bring. But if they're good at landing their skillshots when the Sona comes up to poke, then she gets stomped.

And it still doesn't change the fact that they have more accessible CC (letting them handle ganks and securing kills easier), and better scaling than Sona (making it extremely difficult to catch up if Sona gets behind).

Nobody wants Sona's dmg buffed (except maybe making her less dependent on going full AP to be relevant late game). They want her E to do something more than give 1% per skillup, her healing not to be quite so terrible and mana intensive (just a tiny buff), and maybe something to make her power chord powers more interactive/have relevant decisions.

@Riot - Where is Sona among all these changes to AP and utility supports

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Wanna counter ? Stand still and hit her when she get close

Wanna counter ? Stand still and hit her when she get close

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