What the fuck is this Taric + Yi mid bullshit?

Yenn··28 votes·18,138 views

? ? ? What is this zero counterplay bullshit?

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BLIGHTBRINGER30 votes

At this point Master Yi had became a champion with the most toxic kit that is used for boosting strats which isn't healthy for the game, literally.

There was also the strategy of Kayle Top rushing Ardent Censer (back when it was meta in season 7) and Master Yi Jungle. As soon as they would hit level 6 they would just dive any enemies under turret thanks to Kayle's W Movement Speed Boost, and her R granting instant invunrability.

This is honestly getting rediculous, Riot needs to actually consider giving him a Full Rework or a small gameplay update to adress these issues.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the next boosting strat would be Kayle Top, Master Yi Jungle, Mid Taric and Soraka & Lulu Bot.

Shuriman Curator8 votes

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At this point Master Yi had became a champion with the most toxic kit that is used for boosting strats which isn't healthy for the game, literally.

There was also the strategy of Kayle Top rushing Ardent Censer (back when it was meta in season 7) and Master Yi Jungle. As soon as they would hit level 6 they would just dive any enemies under turret thanks to Kayle's W Movement Speed Boost, and her R granting instant invunrability.

This is honestly getting rediculous, Riot needs to actually consider giving him a Full Rework or a small gameplay update to adress these issues.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the next boosting strat would be Kayle Top, Master Yi Jungle, Mid Taric and Soraka & Lulu Bot.

Just played against this yesterday lmfao

GigglesO1 votes

If you play something like more mid you can 2v1 them early and push them out of lane to where they fall behind. Hi is pretty weak early.

Mr Suppish1 votes

Yes. He's weak early. But unless you WIN THE GAME IN LESS THAN 20 MINUTES, then they win. My last game, their entire team had like 4 kills, and Yi had 27. And he started the game 0/4 until 20 minutes. Then he and mid Taric 2v4'd us. I was Leona, too. Plenty of cc and peel.

Z3Sleeper3 votes

If Yi no longer worked in these strats then Twitch would be next on the boosting strat carry list.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

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At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the next boosting strat would be Kayle Top, Master Yi Jungle, Mid Taric and Soraka & Lulu Bot.

I think it would be Taric top and Kayle mid, depending on the matchups.

Akali is SO HOT15 votes

high quality thread

Oleandervine9 votes

So if I'm understanding this-

  • We have a meta format.
  • A new format emerges.
  • People lose their minds because they can't possibly find a way to be flexible and shift with this new format.
  • People call for immediate nerfs because of their inability to play anything but the current meta.

Do I have that about right?

PowerOfMyKarma1 votes

Smart guys are so op. Dopa have not lost single game with this strategy. And he was not playing yi before. It has no counter-play if played properly. People who copy dopa are doing mistakes so the strategy have only 60% winrate overall. Mainly bcs bad taric players stay on lane to freeze and don't help him in jungle. If you follow yi with taric all around the map asisting him with every jungle creep (yeah there are some buts, but generally you need to follow him and assist) and then letting him collect mid he can't be stopped.

Oleandervine5 votes

Then people need to call it out where it needs to be called out. This isn't about an off meta strategy, nor is it even about Taric. This is about Yi being able to hyperscale with assistance.

And if this is such a glaring problem, ban Yi, and boom, problem solved.

PowerOfMyKarma1 votes

So yeah assuming people don't want loose. They all ban yi, so he will have 100% banrate. wasted ban.

Oleandervine3 votes

They "all" can't ban Yi because only one per team can be banned.

PowerOfMyKarma3 votes

You don't get the point, having 100% banrate champion in game is something not healthy for game.

Oleandervine3 votes

Yeah, but he won't. This off meta strategy isn't fool-proof nor is it something any scrub can pick up and do without practice. It's a gimmick at best, and the skill involved in pulling it off will prevent Yi from being 100% banned.

DW Diana4 votes

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So if I'm understanding this-

  • We have a meta format.
  • A new format emerges.
  • People lose their minds because they can't possibly find a way to be flexible and shift with this new format.
  • People call for immediate nerfs because of their inability to play anything but the current meta.

Do I have that about right?

Is that any worse then:

  • Champion has a point and click stun
  • Riot create an item that nullifies this and builds into good item afterwards
  • People refuse to buy said item and just cry more
  • Riot change champion but keep point and click stun
  • People continue to cry because said champion can now be played as support
  • Riot change champion again and make him spammy
  • Nothing happens until he sees pro play then people cry again
  • Riot nerfs everything in his kit but keep the point and click stun
  • People still cry and refuse to build the item
  • Riot continues to throw out nerfs
  • Champion returns to the dark place he calls home, only to be seen in pro play when they need a point and click stun.
  • The champions he used to counter become meta
  • Everyone cries that there's no counter
  • He stays in his dark home and chuckles at their misery.
Ez dePaz1 votes

Malzahar [zombie-nunu-tears]

DW Diana1 votes

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Malzahar [zombie-nunu-tears]

Well done! You win! Oh wait, no, your icon shows you to be a malz main... You used to win! xD

ModKnightsKemplar8 votes

I have not had the unfortunate experience of playing against it yet. I'm not thrilled by the prospect, especially with Clash on the [hopefully not too distant] horizon.

AFilthyCaitMain6 votes

This is one reason why clash scares me, youll see so many cheese comps like this

Agent Corgi6 votes

I believe this video will pretty much explain what that Strategy is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgE4eY7s78M

YiffMeImAFurry1 votes

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I believe this video will pretty much explain what that Strategy is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgE4eY7s78M

Yeah it explains it

Apparently started on China server

eaglei36 votes

I ran into this strat the other day. Our mid went Liss and I picked Fiddlesticks support (luckily I was last pick) after seeing Taric, Yi, and another support for bot lane. This strategy would have been tough to defeat if we didn't have all the targeted CC we could use to keep Yi from attacking. I always find it satisfying to burn Yi and Taric's ult by having Yi run off from fear at high speed.

Davaken3 votes

I was playing this strat with a friend a few days ago just for the fun. Got up against a fiddle support. Calling it painful to try and engage with Taric ult on you, just for Fiddle to fear you so you can watch your character speed half across the map away from your team is an understatement. At least it looked really funny.

AirKingNeo4 votes

Yi's winrate is 46% in diamond+ soo

Yenn15 votes

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Yi's winrate is 46% in diamond+ soo

Yi's win rate is mixed with actual jungle Yi.

Spoiler: Taric mid's win rate is almost 60%.

AirKingNeo5 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/taric/middle/diamond

54.4% with a >1% pickrate

should we nerf mordekaiser for having a 68.7% winrate despite also having a >1% pickrate? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/mordekaiser/adc/diamond

sweetrules6 votes

The problem isn't Taric, it's Yi. Because it happens every time a champion synergizes with Yi. As for Mordekaiser, part of me wonders if it's just another bug that people are exploiting, since Mordekaiser literally has pages worth of bugs at seemingly all times.

IcyPepper2 votes

Because it happens every time a champion synergizes with Yi

Now, this is the part where I would usually go "but pick diversity!" and "strategy over meta!" but even I know this is less about a legitimate strategy and more about the fact Yi is a giant stat stick.

While the strat is clever, it's more exploiting an outdated champion design than actual strategy, shifting the blame more on the developer. Yi is severely outdated and I'm surprised he did not get a rework prior to the likes of Fiora.

PowerOfMyKarma2 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/kr/%EA%B8%88%EB%A7%88%EC%9A%A9

taric+yi played with dopa properly. over 95+ winrate. It is unbeatable if other members of your team don't int. /or maybe this one is not even dopa./

TheFancySkeleton3 votes

So... Twisted Treeline finally found it's way to the rift?

Nhifu2 votes

Yi is a nice ban.. since most people pick no-cc troll picks in ranked anyways. (reasons he is so good in lower elos)

RekSai CoffeeCo2 votes

This is what happens when you add "Scuttle crab as a mini-objective"

Revert Scuttle crab change.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

Everyone talking about Taric + MasterYi

Little did they know, Kayle has an ult that's literally infinitely better.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

Kayle doesn't have hard CC and also can't afford to give up nearly as much farm as Taric. Taric's ult is better 99% of the time with Yi since there is no "drawback" to it with Yi. You pop it at the start and Yi is in his alpha strike for basically the entire duration of the "wind up" meaning he gets the full value.

Taric can also buy a Zeke's Convergance/Knight's Vow and further help his Yi. Kayle can literally only get Ardent at which point she is STRICTLY an R bot. Taric still gives armor, a better heal, and most importantly an undodgeable stun since if timed well it PHYSICALLY cannot miss since it comes out the second Yi exits Alpha Strike.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Kayle doesn't have hard CC and also can't afford to give up nearly as much farm as Taric. Taric's ult is better 99% of the time with Yi since there is no "drawback" to it with Yi. You pop it at the start and Yi is in his alpha strike for basically the entire duration of the "wind up" meaning he gets the full value.

Taric can also buy a Zeke's Convergance/Knight's Vow and further help his Yi. Kayle can literally only get Ardent at which point she is STRICTLY an R bot. Taric still gives armor, a better heal, and most importantly an undodgeable stun since if timed well it PHYSICALLY cannot miss since it comes out the second Yi exits Alpha Strike.

Kayle can also get those things, what makes Taric better is that he is tankier and can give Master Yi a "hard CC" with his E.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Except Knight's Vow has diminished value on Kayle (and she sure can't take as much damage redirected at her) and Zeke's is overall worse on her since she doesn't scale with it at all nor does she gain any benefit from the second half of the item which is the permaslow around the owner. She CAN buy them, but she is still WAY WORSE than Taric with them. Kayle has a mediocre heal and slow if she doesn't have an income. Taric isn't punished at all for being on a lower income and actually scales with utility stats unlike Kayle who actually gets next to nothing personally out of the Zeke's (she shouldn't be getting hit anyway so the resists are lower).

Also, most of the time, the counter to Yi+Taric or Yi+Kayle is to kill the support. Taric can invuln both him and the Yi meaning that there is no "choice" on if he needs to save himself or not. If you find a basically zero income Kayle running around. She dies instantly or HAS to ult herself. That instantly makes her worse than Taric since Taric is naturally WAY tankier and if he does get "caught out" and Yi is still in W range he can just hit R to save himself AND start a counterengage since Yi will also get the invulnerability and can run into your team.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Taric can also buy a Zeke's Convergance/Knight's Vow and further help his Yi. Kayle can literally only get Ardent at which point she is STRICTLY an R bot.

Kayle can buy Knight's Vow as well (Zeke's Convergance isn't that good, I'll admit). You can't just say she can only buy Ardent Censer.

She can also buy Mikael's.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

I mean she CAN buy infinity edge and deathcap if she really wants. It's just not good. She gets the ranged value for the knights vow at almost all times making it a strictly worse item on her and even IF she redirected full damage it still wouldn't be as good as it on Taric because she is inherently MUCH squishier and the vow is only going to make killing her easier which IS the strategy against these comps.

Nea1042 votes

Yi is just a disgusting champion. Yi + Kayle was also a thing because of Yi.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

now make it Yi + Kayle + Morgana cant be damaged and cant CC to escape

robotmaster2 votes

It’s the Chinese smurfing in our games.

KZ Engel2 votes

it's a chinese boosting strat

only works if the yi is significantly better than the rank he's in

Silarea1 votes

Randomly assuming elo boosters are 5% of the population, that still makes 5% of games unwinnable, and those games are not very much fun to play. If it ruins the game even 5% of the time, it still needs to be fixed. Reading about this, I realize it may only come up with boosting strategies, but I really don't want to play those games.

Ignika D2 votes

problem is the removel of point and click hard cc over time make yi harder to face since with his q he can dodge the skills we throw at him and while he is untargetable he is chunking alot of the squish hp that are near to him and by people dying and his fast autos he just goes untargetable again. he also got a unusualy high hp for a late game champion wiht 600 at lvl 1 and 2162 at lvl 18

i think riot should just nerf his ultimate to something like atck speed/ slow immunity for 35%/75%/100% so we coud at least kite him till he gets late game and doesnt faceroll 1 vs 1 most champion starting lvl 6

Devèstation1 votes

"Oh no someone found a different strategy that works better than 1 top 1 mid 1 jungle and 2 bot oh nooooooo"

Guys, the meta isn't supposed to be set in stone, and things can change. It has its ups and downs just like every other strat.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

It's the fact that the strategy isn't fun for anyone involved and the counter to the strategy is to either do it yourself OR hope your jungler knows how to play the match up. If you are the top laner or either of the bot laners you have ZERO control on the outcome of the game. You went 4 or 5/0 as the ADC? Doesn't matter. Yi has 120 farm including jungle camps at 10 minutes and is like level 12 to your level 8 or 9 so it doesn't matter if you have 5 kills on Draven when Yi runs bot with 2.5 items, invulnerable, with a stun, and kills you before you can even touch his health bar. The only way to beat the strategy is to hope the taric+yi are not good at it (which is a stretch since it really isn't that hard) or hope your jungler can win the game for you.

Laning mid against it? Awful. You are constantly under tower and at ANY point after level 6 you are basically forced to give up everything because you can and will get dove if they want to. Also, being the Taric in the game isn't fun at all. You are LITERALLY Master Yi's 3rd summoner spell. You ONLY exist for Yi. You aren't "Taric" you are "Yi's plaything". You don't kill creeps in a "solo lane". You sit back and wait for your master to show up to lane and kill all the creeps in front of you while you pick up little coins off the ground from the scraps he "generously" left you. You then proceed to follow him around on a leash around the map doing whatever he says. At least with bot lane supports you CAN help other lanes by roaming or providing utility to others. As the Taric in this comp you ONLY exist for Yi. You help him jungle and then freeze the lane. That is ALL you do as the "solo laner".

Acheron161 votes

Told ya.

Everytime someone finds a way to break the meta people have strokes about it.

Meanwhile "HURR DURR, THIS GAME SO BORING ALWAYS SAME META"

Revali1 votes

It's a form of ELO boosting actually.

Beacon Academy1 votes

You say "zero counterplay bullshit"

Veigar I say "free farm lane"

Revali1 votes

Donghuap explains it better then I can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgE4eY7s78M

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