(Reintroduced) Judgment can once again critically strike for bonus damage

Critmaster Garen·Aug 7, 2015·66 votes·5,048 views

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Vistha KaiAug 7, 201522 votes

At this rate they will revert all, but the Demacian Justice changes.

And honestly? I couldn't be more happy about it.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 201520 votes

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At this rate they will revert all, but the Demacian Justice changes.

And honestly? I couldn't be more happy about it.

jungle garen looks actually really good. his spin deals slightly less damage early but has 4 seconds shorter cooldown. so overall, clear improved.

the villain system gives him a "who do i gank next?" kindof feel. and if its on the enemy jungler, its a good time for an invade and to shut him down.

dead mans plate is actually amazing for a jungler. it really helps him get across the map where hes needed.

ComannderShepardAug 7, 20152 votes

plate can also help add that extra bit of ganking power at 100 stacks

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20155 votes

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plate can also help add that extra bit of ganking power at 100 stacks

im gonna love playing with this thing. i mean this makes roams from top lane much more feasable, as you switch quicker between lanes.

those hecarim ganks are gonna be painful though. i never understood why they didnt build the thing in my brawlers games.

AbsoluteSadmanAug 7, 20153 votes

Charge in with dead mans plate, and q.

Now THATS demacian justice.

ArkenStormAug 7, 20152 votes

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Charge in with dead mans plate, and q.

Now THATS ~~demacian~~ SHADOW ISLES justice.

Chibi TemplarAug 7, 20151 votes

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Bilgewater Justice.

ArkenStormAug 7, 20151 votes

WHICH ONE IS IT

RikoZerameAug 7, 20155 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEMdQSMEEM

ComannderShepardAug 7, 20151 votes

I loved it on braum and blitzcrank for support. Make's the roams that much better lol. For the jungle my personal favourite is building it on Rammus ;D

RikoZerameAug 7, 2015

It's absolute murder on Vi, too.

Rinky DinkyAug 7, 20151 votes

Nah.

I'd rather keep the x10 damage proc in 4 seconds :3

WalkingInACircleAug 7, 20151 votes

I suspect the reduction in tankiness and increase in damage output will stay.

But I'm k with that too.

MatezoideAug 7, 20154 votes

How does it feel to know your name wont be outdated anymore?

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20155 votes

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How does it feel to know your name wont be outdated anymore?

pretty pleased, thank you.

Cowgirl EdAug 7, 20153 votes

is this true? will need a source

also, woah what a surprise!

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20157 votes

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is this true? will need a source

also, woah what a surprise!

its in the op. scroll down to todays update.

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Y7ELMJAK-garen-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

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NemeBroAug 7, 20153 votes

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It only just occurred to me that if his no crit E went live, you'd have to change your name.

The FastAug 7, 20152 votes

I actually don't like the crit re-introduction honestly. They had to nerf E's ratio to do it, and before this, it was sitting at a pretty 440% AD at level 18. Damage potential goes up if you build crit, but honestly Garen's best build is probably just going to be Sunfire/Dead Man's Plate with BC and Titanic Hydra if he wants more damage, so this just feels like a nerf to E for me.

AbyssphereAug 7, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Knight Kore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PnwLMyJt,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-08-07T15:39:01.670+0000)

I actually don't like the crit re-introduction honestly. They had to nerf E's ratio to do it, and before this, it was sitting at a pretty 440% AD at level 18. Damage potential goes up if you build crit, but honestly Garen's best build is probably just going to be Sunfire/Dead Man's Plate with BC and Titanic Hydra if he wants more damage, so this just feels like a nerf to E for me.

They didn't nerf E's ratio to do it - they nerfed E's ratio because he was too strong late. The guy in charge of the rework said they aren't expecting crit to actually be a strong build on him, so they reintroduced it because some Garen players find it fun and it'll have very little impact on his strength.

There was no power removed from his kit in order to give him back crit, he would have had the AD ratio nerf regardless.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Knight Kore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PnwLMyJt,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-08-07T15:39:01.670+0000)

I actually don't like the crit re-introduction honestly. They had to nerf E's ratio to do it, and before this, it was sitting at a pretty 440% AD at level 18. Damage potential goes up if you build crit, but honestly Garen's best build is probably just going to be Sunfire/Dead Man's Plate with BC and Titanic Hydra if he wants more damage, so this just feels like a nerf to E for me.

ghostblade is one of his most versatile items. the synergy with his kit is really strong. they reduced the scaling, not even the base damage by 10%. ghostblades crit alone should increase this damage by 15% on average and bring it back up to the previous value.

but if you also build i.e. on him the damage is gonna be gigantic. his spin already deals vastly more damage than on live. like between 2 and 3 times the value.

Zair UmbrasAug 7, 20151 votes

This all depends. Garen's E does not crit for double damage. It crits for 50% boosted damage, meaning its crit multiplier is not 200%, it's 150%, so 15% crit is closer to 7.5% average DPS.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20151 votes

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This all depends. Garen's E does not crit for double damage. It crits for 50% boosted damage, meaning its crit multiplier is not 200%, it's 150%, so 15% crit is closer to 7.5% average DPS.

its a 10% damage nerf on the scaling.

and critical strikes cause the scaling part of the spin to crit for 200% damage. meaning 15% crit increase the damage of the scaling part on average by 15%.

the base damage of the spin wasnt touched.

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Where does it say this?

i put a link into one of my posts here. its in the op of the garen thread on the pbe boards. you have to scroll down to todays update.

Zair UmbrasAug 8, 20152 votes

No, Garen's E does not crit for 100% boosted damage. It does not have a 200% crit multiplier. As of this moment on Live, it has a 150% crit multipier. If you crit with his E, it does 50% more damage and even STATES this. Garen on the PBE does not specify if it's for normal crit multiplier or if it's the same 50%, it simply says that it can crit for bonus damage. I'd guess they're keeping it at 150%, not putting it up at 200%.

For some one who's named 'Critmaster Garen', you sure don't know much about how his E crits. 0.o

Critmaster GarenAug 8, 20151 votes

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No, Garen's E does not crit for 100% boosted damage. It does not have a 200% crit multiplier. As of this moment on Live, it has a 150% crit multipier. If you crit with his E, it does 50% more damage and even STATES this. Garen on the PBE does not specify if it's for normal crit multiplier or if it's the same 50%, it simply says that it can crit for bonus damage. I'd guess they're keeping it at 150%, not putting it up at 200%.

For some one who's named 'Critmaster Garen', you sure don't know much about how his E crits. 0.o

ah, crap i messed up. yes, you need an i.e. for the 100% damage boost.

its the ad scaling portion of the ability that can critically strike. however, according to the rioter working on him, the ad ratio is much higher than the live values. (also from the looks of the pbe games).

this means the stat does become better on him with the rework, if the formula stays the same. maybe theyre gonna use an entirely different formula, dont know.

even if just the ad ratio crits, a crit with an i.e. almost gives the spin an extra damage tick in value as the base damage is much lower than what your ad contributes.

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I'm still not going to buy crit on Garen. No room in a build for it.

depends on what you want to build for. infinity edge is still one of his strongest items for raw damage.

i almost cant live without ghostblade anymore, since it allows me to work around a lot of his weak points. extra mobility on the active, and the problem that he cant do much when his spin is on cooldown.

in extrended fights, after i burned my spin i usually like to pop the ghostblade active to keep going with powerful auto attacks, until the spin is back up.

garen actually will have a lot of build diversity with the new update. there are a ton of items and build pathes to chose from. more than before.

SouL1essAug 8, 20151 votes

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it was sitting at a pretty 440% AD

Doesn't this remind us of something spin2win? :^)

LilxPaprikaAug 7, 20151 votes

please don't scare us like this again rito.

if you do please provide adequate context.

Earl EulrichAug 7, 20151 votes

mh, i´d rather have it function like the ashe changes...15%crit->15%more dmg overall

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20151 votes

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mh, i´d rather have it function like the ashe changes...15%crit->15%more dmg overall

well since the spin applies a lot of smaller damage ticks that can individually crit, thats actually how it works. the only problem with crit was ever in combination with his q. a crit or no crit made a gigantic difference but was unreliable.

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PnwLMyJt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-08-07T13:26:55.047+0000)

At this rate they will revert all, but the Demacian Justice changes.

And honestly? I couldn't be more happy about it.

there were some mechanics that were definitely improvements, but overall some of the stuff they added and removed to balance these improvements out, just made the improvements less good or fun than the drawbacks, and the whole thing sucked. (oh god, the self slow).

as it looks right now, the changes are definitely shaping up a lot better.

ihaveapotionAug 7, 20151 votes

who cares about crits if you cant even hit anything to begin with.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20154 votes

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who cares about crits if you cant even hit anything to begin with.

well, they removed the slow on the spin. basically the most painful part of the changes.

like im watching a garen with warriors, dead mans plate, cleaver, last whisper, and for some reason bloodthirster. but his spin deals a total of 2700 damage.

even losing 1 second on the silence isnt that bad, if you deal the same damage in 1.5 seconds that you deal with live garen over 3 seconds.

YCitizenSnipsYAug 7, 20151 votes

Wouldn't Garen just get blown to pieces in a team fight with that build?

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20151 votes

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Wouldn't Garen just get blown to pieces in a team fight with that build?

what, those 6 i.e.s? yea he probably would.

however a cleaver, ghostblade, i.e. a maw and a defensive item like dead mans plate are definitely possible. the beauty of his new (old) w passive is that he gains more resitances with a more damage oriented build like he would get now.

Only Play DariusAug 7, 20151 votes

Where does it say this?

Smitty ManjensenAug 7, 20151 votes

Why isn't anyone mentioning the Q ms nerf? That will kill him, the only form of mobility he has and they nerf the duration.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20153 votes

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Why isn't anyone mentioning the Q ms nerf? That will kill him, the only form of mobility he has and they nerf the duration.

hes losing half a second. its not terrible.

Q - Decisive Strike Movement Speed Duration changed 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 >>> 2/2.5/3/3.5/4

Kuroi86Aug 7, 20151 votes

He also jumps ahead 50 units once he's closed the gap, so all around it's looking good.

ElJanitorFrankAug 7, 20151 votes

ty atmas impaler

Sugar MommaAug 8, 20151 votes

Considering your name, I suppose you're the person in the picture? :^)

GloriousKaiserAug 8, 20151 votes

Good, now let him Crit in an AoE when auto attacking.

Just kidding, but that would be seriously awesome.

GAREN LIVES ON!!!!

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Cloud PotatoAug 8, 20151 votes

I'm so happy it's back. If you want to dump 4k gold on pure damage there is nothing more satisfying than an IE.

TotalJerkAug 8, 20151 votes

I'm still not going to buy crit on Garen. No room in a build for it.

HayRossAug 8, 20151 votes

Garen A glorious day for Demacia!

The LovelessAug 8, 20151 votes

Now if only we could get his Q nuke back.

Critmaster GarenAug 8, 20152 votes

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Now if only we could get his Q nuke back.

actually ive watched the replay of marinerevenges stream. and his q was still able to crit a couple of days ago before they readded it to the spin. if they havent changed that in the meantime, both spells should crit.

otherwise, dead mans plate can add some neat burst to the q.