Proper use of bramblevest/thornmail

Commando Yi··1 votes·1,294 views

People don't seem to understand the proper use of bramblevest or thornmail for that matter so I will explain it here.

The old thornmail was useful for countering auto attacks due to reflecting a hefty chunk of damage and it was generally useful on malphite/rammus because of the way the reflected damage scaled.

The new bramblevest/thornmail is for countering healing and healing only - not autoattacks; and it's valuable on any tank/bruiser. So what does that mean?

If you rush bramblevest vs say a jax, pantheon, jayce, kennen, riven or an ADC that has only one life steal item then you've just wasted 900 gold on an item that will not give you an edge and you will get smashed in lane because those champions don't rely on heals.

Bramble vest will however give you an edge over champions that rely on healing to give them an edge. This covers champions like fiora, irelia, akali, tryndamere, aatrox, warwick, mundo - and even vlad or swain if they auto attack you.

The actual point at which to build bramble/vest thornmail vs ADC's is either late game in general or if they pick up more than one sustain item and/or they have an alternate source of healing (soraka).

6 Comments

Sujiren2 votes

Wrong, it's actually useless vs majority of champions with less than 1 aa per second attack speed, since they do not attack you fast enough to keep refreshing the debuff. The only exception is fiora, since her q applies on hits, so her healing of vitals is halfed. Champions like akali mundo, vlad are not gonna aa you fast enough for debuff to matter.

KoKoboto1 votes

Yeah had this potato teammate build Bramble vest and Ninja Tabi first against an AP Kennen when their team had a ton of CC...

AirKingNeo1 votes

You're entirely wrong.

Old thornmail was a tanks counter to AA based champions who can't heal. (Jax, Kayle.)

Bramble Vest is a counter to AA champions AND champions who heal. You can even beat fucking Riven using Garen if you rush it.

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

I would like to point out that while rushing bramble vest isn't a good choice against Jax, thornmail is. Jax is a champ that scales off dueling time so the AA slow + heal reduction is a good item against him. Thornmail is a much better item against Jax than randiuns.

Commando Yi1 votes

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I would like to point out that while rushing bramble vest isn't a good choice against Jax, thornmail is. Jax is a champ that scales off dueling time so the AA slow + heal reduction is a good item against him. Thornmail is a much better item against Jax than randiuns.

made this thread specifically after an incident where a malphite rushed bramble against a jax and jax snowballed on him because the healing reduction didn't help

i had to help malphite with his build - tabi, sunfire, iceborn guantlet telling him to upgrade the bramble much later and he started doing better against the jax despite falling behind initially

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

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made this thread specifically after an incident where a malphite rushed bramble against a jax and jax snowballed on him because the healing reduction didn't help

i had to help malphite with his build - tabi, sunfire, iceborn guantlet telling him to upgrade the bramble much later and he started doing better against the jax despite falling behind initially

That's like Malphite's core build. How can they not know. Malphite literally make Jax cry top lane until way late game.

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