Let's start a discussion on Nautilus's Future in League

PapaGreg21··12 votes·699 views

Nautilus initially was a tanky, cc heavy jungler that had very clear windows of opportunity where he could succeed as well as downtime where you could really punish him. Most of his damage and defense was packed into his W where good players could either bait it out or have their frontline stall him and then punish him when it went down. If he missed a Q, he was stuck in the same spot and you could pepper him with ranged abilities while he had no escapes or engages. He was considered either a sleeper or a below average jungler for years despite having good utility (I think Trick2g used to call him uselessness).

Along the way, Riot decided to shift his power budget from his W into his E so he could deal with the AOE heavy camps more easily. The intended goal was to spam e for better clearing but in exchange he lost all of the damage that his W provided. This led to unhealthy gameplay (mostly in top lane) where Nautilus would become a difficult to kill pushing machine and made an experience that was not very much fun to play against. He also appeared in LCS fairly common which was unusual for him and led to probably a little more heavy handed nerfing than if he was doing well in Bronze, for example. He started to appear more in bot lane and really started to disappear in the jungle (even with Cinderhulk's heyday he was secondary to Gragas, Sejuani, Amumu, and Sion in popularity.)

Recently Riot attempted to fix this by adding additional mana costs to his E where spamming it is no longer an option (in hopes to get him out of top lane I suppose.) He was roughly a 50 percent win rate top laner at the time so I assume they wanted him out of there for the unhealthy gameplay. This leaves him with some problems because he no longer can perform his jungle clears because he can't spam his e to damage them. Remember, the initial intent for his jungling changed were to shift power and a low cooldown into his E for clearing, which these new mana costs have prohibited him from doing. I would like to report his jungling win rates but the play rates are too low to appear on sites.

So what should happen to Nautilus? I think 2 things. First, develop a clear identity as to where he should be playing. At this point, it is either in a support role or jungle. If Riot wants to bring him back into popularity with the jungle, they should add monster damage to his E so that lane Nautilus can't benefit very much from this added power. If they want to bring him to support, they should add power to his shield because he's not going to be able to acquire enough gold there to add the health needed for his transition to late game (his shield scales on health), especially with tank items recently being nerfed with health across the board. Anyway these are my 2 cents. I like Nautilus and want to see him in a good and fair spot.

15 Comments

AwesomeGuyDj2 votes

I feel nautilus is ok where he is now. He works as a support and top. But im in the low pits of bronze. Or maybe im just telling myself that because i dont actually have a rank

Jansports2 votes

I'd like to see him back in the Jungle, He's great fun to play and I feel his kit has very healthy play patterns both during his clear, ganks and teamfights as the game goes on. His engage is strong and he's a big disruptive presence But his damage isn't in a great place. I'd like to see more power brought back to his W, letting him do pre-nerf Zac levels of ambient damage unless his shield is dealt with, and just enough oomph behind E/Q/autos to not be ignorable once W is down

With a moderate buff to W and perhaps a Monster specific modifier for E (or even adding a bit of damage to Passive hits, which wont ever get out of hand in duels/teamfights due to cooldown but could really amp up his AoE clear on krugs/raptors) He's not really far off from being a reliable tank pick for the jungle, it's mostly a matter of getting his Clear to a good place and putting some power back into W so that his E doesn't encourage anyone to bring him top again. Since it seems pretty clear Tanky AP tops with Waveclear/pushing power Aren't exactly on Riot's goodside as they all seem to get their knees taking out from underthem

Euthenaasia1 votes

Nautilus is fine. He has the potential to be played in multiple roles in a very healthy fashion and that is an identity within itself.

PapaGreg213 votes

I disagree

PhantomGG1 votes

Honestly whenever a champion is in the position nautlist is in, nine out of ten times you can blame identity issues. It is also true for this scenario as well.

Riot needs to make up their mind on one or two positions they want naut to be in and make it so he is stuck their. Personally I say get rid of top Naut, for that E is toxic as fuck to play against and has zero counter play in a one v one scenario.

Karn Bishop1 votes

He became a dead champion to me when they took away his ability to jungle, in fact he was the only tank jungler i enjoyed playing at all.

JSTIN81 votes

He's another jungler who got the shaft with the seasonal jungle changes. Krugs are just fucking brutal. He needs more damage or lower cd on his W, and preferably some buffs to mana management so you can do a full clear without running oom

Tails90161 votes

Easy fix: Come to bronze, Max W before E: Win lane No one cares about how well he does in team fights, he's an ult bot if he misses his q

USG Street Jimmy1 votes

dont you fucking dare

leave him the fuck alone. he's fine as he is

Sauceyapples1 votes

I don't like this conversation. It's NAUT a productive topic of discussion. I'm going to have to ANCHOR myself down for this one because the SALT (water) will be real. I also don't SEA a point in it. This is ABYSSMAL. I'm not noth ready for an in-DEPTHS conversation about this.

...i'll see myself out.

Friendly Ram1 votes

i like how he's a flex pick that can work in 3 of the 4 positions and hope he can get buffed to clear easier.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I mostly play him in jungle still. Yes the clear sucks balls, at least early game. But the ganks are imo the best in the game just because of the amount of CC he brings. Generally I love Naut because for me he is the anti-cancer pick. Enemy has Yasuo, Riven, Vayne, anything even remotely toxic? Pick Naut, press R, auto them, hook them, spam E around, use randuins and they wont move for like 10 seconds. Only thing I need now is for Astronautilus to go on sale already, RITO pls...

PapaGreg211 votes

You could argue that Rammus does everything Nautilus does but better. His clears are faster and less mana intensive, his ganks are more reliable and he scales off armor, which has been buffed on all items. He's also more reliable of an escape when invaded.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I heavily disagree, it may just be from my experience, but I think Rammus has really unreliable ganks, his early clear is extremely slow, his CC is not that intensive and taunt can be cleansed unlike Naut displacement spells and my no1 reason to pick Naut over Rammus - Naut deals like 5 times more damage than Rammus. Again this is just from my gameplay experience.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

I think they can find a magic number for his E and W that makes them bad for toplane pushing but fine for Jungling if you have Blue buff for the first clear.

Also with the change to Doran's Ring I think his top pushing power got hamstringed.

Maybe I should play him Jungle again...

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