To be honest, Yasuo himself is not even the problem

SaltyToplaneGoat··3 votes·541 views

Edit: Oh the Yasuo mains are quick to downvote as always. Probably didnt even read the post, just saw something about yasuo and got triggered lol. If you disagree at least write why <_<'


He just manages to bring the flaws of the underlying systems together: Some aspects of Critical Strike (hey look i just doubled my base AD. Also I just won an early trade by pure luck.), Frozen Mallet (you can now no longer run away from me the moment I hit you once, and if you cant trade me you die), and the most recent mind-boggler: the idea that glass cannon champions need defensive options in their items in addition to those in their kit (Phantom Dancer).

And this is why Riot will never lay hand on Yasuo: because he himself is not even an issue here, he's just a focal point for overall bad design. The only way to somehow get over this would be making him scale of AS instead of crit, but then Riot, who constantly sticked to this, would have admitted that they were wrong for so long. And they barely ever do, because being a stubborn kid is always easier than an insightful and self-reflexive adult.

I wonder how the designer feels tho, that he has made a champion that is banned regardless of strenght, because people simply HATE seeing him? Like, "here, congratulations, you didnt just fail and make some flaws, you created something that fits into the game SO WELL everyone fucking hates the sight of it alone."

And now add to the fact that the character is neither thematically appealing nor unique - as CertainlyT can operate game design like complex clockwork but sucks at literally anything that has to do with the narrative aspects (also explains his failure that was the Morde Rework) - what gives people no reason to at least like the character from an aesthic point of view, like they do with Kled or Jhin.

And that is not even accounting for the Windwall bullshit when it blocks a Nami ult with one pixel or something...

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Prospector Pete6 votes

Edit: Oh the Yasuo mains are quick to downvote as always. Probably didnt even read the post, just saw something about yasuo and got triggered lol. If you disagree at least write why <_<'

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/q4PUkp3q-i-know-im-going-to-get-downvoted-by-x-mains

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

hey I am not shutting out the opposition, I at least want them to comment to where I am wrong.

And lets be real here, downvoting out of "DONT CRITICISE MY MAIN" is real on these boards.

Magik Trik2 votes

Show me on the rift where he touched you. :^)

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

pings right between to nexus towers

ChaddyFantome2 votes

He just manages to bring the flaws of the underlying systems together: Some aspects of Critical Strike (hey look i just doubled my base AD. Also I just won an early trade by pure luck.), Frozen Mallet (you can now no longer run away from me the moment I hit you once, and if you cant trade me you die), and the most recent mind-boggler: the idea that glass cannon champions need defensive options in their items in addition to those in their kit (Phantom Dancer).

No, you are absolutely right. The downvote storm is unreal.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Yepp. Some always downvote but when it comes to yas it is extreme

Ben SwoIo2 votes

I'm kind of with what you're saying, but I don't know about him fitting "TOO GOOD INTO THIS GAME." I still believe he is just overloaded and needs to have a bigger drawback. Plus, that would mean most other champs don't fit "too good into this game", seeing as most people playing these other champs complain about Yasuo and have issues with him. Are all those champs somewhat failures but Yasuo is the only successful one since he "fits in" so well? What happened to Riven? Or the little devil Teemo? No one really hates them anymore since Yasuo came in. He is just that cancerous.

VoraciousX1 votes

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I'm kind of with what you're saying, but I don't know about him fitting "TOO GOOD INTO THIS GAME." I still believe he is just overloaded and needs to have a bigger drawback. Plus, that would mean most other champs don't fit "too good into this game", seeing as most people playing these other champs complain about Yasuo and have issues with him. Are all those champs somewhat failures but Yasuo is the only successful one since he "fits in" so well? What happened to Riven? Or the little devil Teemo? No one really hates them anymore since Yasuo came in. He is just that cancerous.

Ohhhh everyone still hates Riven. Trust me, I know. Did you forget about when she could dash through displacements if timed right?(JSYK other champions with dashes could too, and it was proven). The boards were swarming with "Riven can cancel CC, hotfix this shit Riot!" and then downvoting anyone who told them that other champions could do it, or that it wasn't even cancelling the CC, as you were still CCed. No other champion got any hate from it, ONLY Riven did, and no one used any kind of logic.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

The problem with this is, Riven dashes all the freaking time. If a champion with one dash evades cc, well whatever, they blew their spell and its on a cooldown now. At least it took mana costs. But Riven? Being able to block cc with four aviable dashes on a low cooldown... yeah this is why people got mad.

VoraciousX1 votes

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The problem with this is, Riven dashes all the freaking time. If a champion with one dash evades cc, well whatever, they blew their spell and its on a cooldown now. At least it took mana costs. But Riven? Being able to block cc with four aviable dashes on a low cooldown... yeah this is why people got mad.

It's basically two dashes. Q1, Q2, and Q3 make up one dash pretty much, they don't move that much unless all three are used together, and you forget that those are her damage abilities, and it was only her E that could do it afaik. Renekton has farther mobility than Riven.

Violet Fields2 votes

Yasuo can counter any champion based on the items he can build, not how he plays.

Mordekaiser counters Yasuo , Yasuo builds item 3123 Malzahar counters Yasuo , Yasuo builds item 3140 Veigar counters Yasuo , Yasuo builds item 3140 Garen counters Yasuo , Yasuo builds item 3140 and item 3072 Azir counters Yasuo , Yasuo can block Azir 's ultimate which is not even a projectile.

There's absolutely no way to 1 vs 1 him since he can build 50+% lifesteal whilst being able to have 100% crit and if you just about kill him he turns right back around and goes back to his minion wave where he gets his 100% health back within 3 seconds and goes back and kills you with his full shield while you blew up all your cool-downs and you have no way to kill him.

The only thing he has that's not absolute shit about his entire kit is that his magic resistance always stays at 30. Thank god.

Darkdemon6531 votes

If crit were a problem by itself, why does no other champion focus on crit early on? I'll answer for you. It's because Yasuo's passive gives him double critical strike, which is a purely Yasuo thing.

I have literally never seen a Yasuo build Frozen Mallet, and very rarely see it on any champion.

Again, if PD is a problem, why is not more prevalent?

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Tryndamere

Lugg1 votes

Actually, Yasou is the problem. Horribly designed champ from the get go.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Yes, but he is a different kind of "horrible". Design can be bad because of clunkyness or a lack of counterplay and all that stuff - however, Yasuo is the only champ who just fits TOO GOOD INTO THIS GAME. He just exploits the errors and flaws in the basic design like no one else can.

Just imagine Frozen Mallet and Phantom Dancer removed, and suddenly he would be a lot less infuriating to play against, no?

Lugg1 votes

I do agree with what you are saying, but it's part of a continuing problem Riot has. They have been on a kick for a long time making champs that can deal with any situation. This makes those champs have no real counters in the game and therefor no fun to play against.

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