I wish riot would come out and explain what they're doing with league, as it seems so broken.

Krytoric··117 votes·5,280 views

TL;DR : everything in league broke itself, no single role is to blame, towers suck and stopwatch is the worst thing riots ever added to the game.


I LOVE league, i used to put like 6 hours a day into it and now im at the point where im not feeling it, gonna try taking a week or so break and see if that kinda helps me have fun in it again.

The game has so many problems that have been coming for a long time, and it seems like Riot did next to nothing to do anything about it.

Also, this isnt a "Fuck riot and league" post, but im genuinely confused on why they dont comment on posts about balance / gameplay.

But everyone knows the problems and the major flaws that riot created in their game, it just sucks to see people up in arms defending their favorite role cause everyone claims everything is broken (which everything is to some extent)

Everything in this game broke each other -

Tanks broke ADC's - Tanks became borderline unkillable, after one item a tank can tower dive without any risk, so the damage classes had to get more damage to deal with it, which then made every damage dealer destroy each other, but tanks seem still seem unstoppable (this is the main point)


ADC then broke assassins - Assassins had to be able to deal with ADC's damage, so they had to add more damage into their kits (item 3147 item 3147 item 3147 )


Assassins then broke Supports - Supports and supportive items had to get buffed to deal with Assassins 1 shotting supports, so now its not uncommon to see a squishy target get 50% - 60% of their HP in shields


Supports AND Assassins then broke Mages - Mages started being played in bot instead of mid, they couldnt lane against anyone with item 3147 so they became damage dealers in bot and also because people like Brand Veigar have enough over time damage or burst to just pick and kill someone, earlier they have strong zoning, and later they're just more damage on the team, so they became an almost natural counter to Enchanters.


but then Enchanters / Mages broke Tank supports (and tanks again) - the counter to being poked, is going in and trying to just kill them before they can poke you down and go for the kill, so tanks started being played in bot again, people like Leona Alistar Nautilus Taric - anyone with hard engage or CC.


then Tank supports broke the jungle meta - It became "Camp bot or lose" cause ADC's typically get destroyed by everyone at all points in the game unless they have 6 items, (hate ADC all you want, but this is true) so Bot became free kills with engage supports / CC, having a Leona stun the ADC, while the jungler came in meant the bot lane would either die, or lose everything and die off of a dive 30 seconds later.


Then we got these new runes, and for the MOST part, they seem okayish? but it just gave EVERYONE a free fuck ton of damage, and the worst addition to the game by far, is item 2419 - getting that free from a rune is the most insane thing they've ever done, it gives a free "get out of a death" card, it removes being able to punish people for mistakes and its not uncommon to have a fight break out, and have more than half the game use it, resulting in everyone getting nuked, no one dying, then having a stronger item 3026 or item 3157 soon after.

Also a side point, how has riot let towers be in this state for like a season and a half? They dont do any damage, they're beyond squishy especially with Demolish and Rift Herald. It's sad being under 80% HP cause that means you're going to get dove and there's no risk in doing so, in my opinion, a tower dive should be a planned out play, that has a high risk for a high reward, but now a tower dive is just choosing to kill someone under tower cause that's where they happen to be.

Even worse, is combining the last 2 points, watching a "dive" when its pretty much a 5v5 under tower, then seeing like 8 stopwatches get used is so hard to watch, its so unbalanced, and rather than buffing towers, riot created a whole new problem. Using stopwatch is like punishing someone because you misplayed, it takes so much skill out of the game, and completely ruins Assassins, its such an awful addition to the game.

Also i have no idea why riot thinks watching people get one shot is "flashy and exciting" it takes so much out of the game, i remember watching bjergsen get into a 1v1 and it was 2 assassins jumping around for like 10 seconds, then he finally won with like 5% HP and hardly escaped, seeing that makes me like fan girl and Kreygasm, that's genuinely fun to watch cause it shows mechanics and mastery of the champion, same with long team fights, i love when a fight lasts 20-30 seconds and like one man is left standing and it took everything from both teams to take each other on, there was so much micro and macro play from everyone.

Now watching Zoe LITERALLY one shot someone, isnt entertaining at all, its sad that its become almost normal? Playing vs Garen and when he only has BC, his e hits you for like 40% of your HP then he ults you for 1000 true damage and you die. Theres no mechanics, theres no outplaying, theres no better micro or macro play, its literally whoever gets to one shot first wins the game.

They should buff towers and start nerfing literally every aspect of the game. That's just how i see it, feel free to disagree.

EDIT - sorry this is so unorganized, still suck at making stuff look neat on the boards :p

96 Comments

Axxuka43 votes

Let me quote Ghostcrawler on this one :

''You don't need to play the game in order to design it''

Jinx Hunter13 votes

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Let met quote Ghostcrawler on this one :

''You don't need to play the game in order to design it''

This, pretty much.

Illivashi2 votes

What are you doing? OP mentioned Zoe one shotting someone in a negative way, where is your angry defense?!? This isn't the Jinx Hunter I fell in love with </3

Jinx Hunter2 votes

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What are you doing? OP mentioned Zoe one shotting someone in a negative way, where is your angry defense?!? This isn't the Jinx Hunter I fell in love with </3

Who said I am angry? I simple point out people's salty hate filled biased of Zoe. She doesn't do anything any other burst mage didn't already do.

OrigMorjumba7 votes

accept she does it in one shot and can stun you from mid tower to river bush and 1 shot you after

Jinx Hunter2 votes

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accept she does it in one shot and can stun you from mid tower to river bush and 1 shot you after

then build Mr and don't get hit by her E. You can play against her just fine and if she hits you from that far away with her E then you have more then enough time to move and make enough distance so she cant hit you with a Q + R. If you going to complain next about "but her team will kill me and it puts me is a bad spot!!!" Well duh, any other champs CC will do that. You know what she can do, so if you are not playing around that fact that she can CC from far way with a well placed E then you are not playing right.

OrigMorjumba4 votes

oh wait that would make sense if she didn't have an extra flash, used it and 1 shot me and flashed out before anyone knew what happened, she then picked up another flash immediately after.

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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oh wait that would make sense if she didn't have an extra flash, used it and 1 shot me and flashed out before anyone knew what happened, she then picked up another flash immediately after.

Now you are just grasping at straws. The only way she gets another flash is if she picks it up. You can see it and punish her for trying to pick it up before hand, added to it you can see when she has another flash and can play accordingly for 30 secs until it runs out.

Seriously you guys are grasping at the tiniest of straws to excuse you playing bad and not thinking.

OrigMorjumba5 votes

it's not a stretch at all to see her use an extra flash and pick one up soon after especially late game.

Krytoric2 votes

i have a clip of her one shotting an ADC from out of vision. Literally 1 q and they died. That's not "grasping at the tiniest of straws to excuse you playing bad and not thinking" thats being punished for existing.

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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i have a clip of her one shotting an ADC from out of vision. Literally 1 q and they died. That's not "grasping at the tiniest of straws to excuse you playing bad and not thinking" thats being punished for existing.

Apparently you didn't read the whole message. If you are an ADC and didn't even buy a damn Maw or a item 3139 when she is on the other team for the MR, then you deserve to be one shot.

Krytoric1 votes

ok so with the same reasoning, ADC should one shot everyone if they dont get armor?

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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ok so with the same reasoning, ADC should one shot everyone if they dont get armor?

Glass cannon is glass cannon for a reason, you cant have both, ethier you go damage with resists to magic, damage with resists to AD or mega damage with no resists and 12% damage reduction <-something you get with the resists builds anyways as a marksmen if you build item 3046

You can get healing and pseudo damage reduction along with straight AD with item 3812, with crit it makes healing back that bleed easy.

You have options but you don't get to have it all. Especially as a range class cannon. You don't get it all buddy.

Krytoric1 votes

No ADCs really build item 3812 , and only some build item 3046

whereas item 3047 and item 3157 are perfectly fine on anyone thats not a tank, tanks have way more options.

And going off your old argument, would zed be balanced if his Q had triple the range, moved faster and one shot people?

ADC's have nothing if you're decent at the game, ADC is annoying, not OP.

Krytoric1 votes

ignoring the bolded cause its literally exactly what you said is fair, but on someone else LOL

darnar36015 votes

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Let met quote Ghostcrawler on this one :

''You don't need to play the game in order to design it''

I don't even know how to respond to that statment is that how it works now? just can we just shoot the man that said that? what's next you don't need to be a pilot to fly a plane? you don't need to be a surgeon to operate on a person?

Axxuka18 votes

The guy who said that is none other than this game's Lead Designer, the one above everyone making the decisions about league's overral direction in short.

He did leave Blizzard (World of warcraft) after making it a mess for a while... Wanna bet he used the same philosophy there ?

ISLAMICWARRIOR993 votes

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I don't even know how to respond to that statment is that how it works now? just can we just shoot the man that said that? what's next you don't need to be a pilot to fly a plane? you don't need to be a surgeon to operate on a person?

Its the same philosophy they use to explain why maybe 2 members of the balance team are higher than gold

HarrisonOwns3 votes

Mechanical skill has nothing to do with game theory/knowledge/design.

OrigMorjumba2 votes

YIKES

DragonShea3 votes

{quoted}

Let me quote Ghostcrawler on this one :

''You don't need to play the game in order to design it''

Which is why people hate him, he has no experience or respect towards gaming.

Would anyone trust their lives to a surgeon that doesn't know anatomy in order to cut you?

943721481 votes

Dude you can't make fun of him!!!!!!!!!! Riot is PC and you will get banned for saying anything bad about the second coming of jesus.

Prestige Eve24 votes

You're right about a lot of things but I feel like this is specific line is what people seem to have reversed

{quoted} Tanks broke ADC's - Tanks became borderline unkillable, after one item a tank can tower dive without any risk, so the damage classes had to get more damage to deal with it

The damage and cooldown creep (which is basically alternate damage creep) is what started the problems. Damage became so high that tanks couldn't survive more than 3 seconds, which resulted in those waves of complaints we used to see about tanks being so weak. Instead of looking into damage, cooldown, mobility and all the other issues that could have been addressed, riot decided the best course of action would be to buff them until they survived. ...this is when the cycle of buff everything so they kill things started. It went like this

Release low CD champ with good damage ---> these champs excel at bullying thanks to their low CD burst ---> buff other champs damage so they can trade better ---> damage creep now high ---> tanks now struggle to survive with everyone basically doing triple damage ---> Buff tanks to survive longer ---> Tanks now become unstoppable raid bosses ----> Buff other champs to do more damage to balance it out ----> damage creep even higher ---> Rework rune system to be choose your more damage perks... and inspiration ---> some champs become too strong as a result ---> start buffing other champions onto their level

and the cycle of buffing goes on and on... Seriously though, can someone explain to me why runes were changed to basically just be more damage anyway?

OnanThaMan10 votes

I believe what they are trying to do, now keep in mind this is just me speculating, is appeal to casual players. Quicker games means less time investment, more RNG and less emphasis on macro play helps someone with less game knowledge play on the same level as say a veteran player. Now game knowledge still decides who is a pro player but at the casual level it is much less impactful, which is where they make most of their money. Well at least until Riot either succeeds of fails at making LoL the next "Football", because then they can rely on E-Sports. Though I don't see why they do want it to be since the NFL was voted one of the most hated companies in America.

AetherArising1 votes

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I believe what they are trying to do, now keep in mind this is just me speculating, is appeal to casual players. Quicker games means less time investment, more RNG and less emphasis on macro play helps someone with less game knowledge play on the same level as say a veteran player. Now game knowledge still decides who is a pro player but at the casual level it is much less impactful, which is where they make most of their money. Well at least until Riot either succeeds of fails at making LoL the next "Football", because then they can rely on E-Sports. Though I don't see why they do want it to be since the NFL was voted one of the most hated companies in America.

But my game's aren't shorter than before, they're just extremely one-sided and you know who's winning by minute 4 at latest. Closing out games is hard though because you don't want to risk dying, getting aced by the "behind" team, and losing by misplay.

Instead, it encourages those whom are already ahead to just chase kills until full items are gotten, THEN baron and close. Its boring. Look at LCS, nobody dies till like 15+ mins because they KNOW that once someone gets a kill its donezo

Anatera10 votes

They won't come out and say anything because if they do, it means they'll have to commit to it.

ThePikol9 votes

I made a similar post just yesterday. I fear that Riot will finally realise what is broken and what has to be done, but knowing them thet will not want to do such a big fix during season so we will have a whole year of broken thing and League od Damage. They will try to fix it in next preseason when it will be much too late

Nymzo6 votes

This, many people on the boards only blame one particular class for what is going on right now (mostly Adcs).

The fact is: it's the existence of many bad thing that is the reason why the game seems so bad right now.

And unfortunately, Riot is taking their sweet time to fix all of these problems. Ardent took months, now Ornn and a failed attempt at stopwatch and later, ap items.

Count Lieberkuhn1 votes

Exactly, introducing big new changes is only going to make identifying and fixing the roots of the issues that much more difficult. It's almost like distraction tactics at this point, they're throwing so much new stuff at us that they're maybe hoping we ignore the problems, or at least find new problems to focus on?

NorthernRedStar4 votes

It's a mess. You can only band-aid with a band-aid for so long.

Mews993 votes

Playing vs Garen and when he only has BC, his e hits you for like 40% of your HP then he ults you for 1000 true damage and you die. Theres no mechanics, theres no outplaying, theres no better micro or macro play, its literally whoever gets to one shot first wins the game.

Thank god someone else feels the same way about Garen, I would also like to add that i feel he might not be as bad if he used mana

Time Stops6 votes

Okay this is too far.. If you are having issues with garen he gets kited so hard by almost any char in the game.. He has 0 cc besides a short silence and his burst is minimal at best and highly predictable due to the villain system.

Corrupt Bliss3 votes

Seriously though. When I see Garen I start rofling because of how easy he is to deal with. I do believe that there should be champions in League of Legends that should have easier-to-learn kits (Garen Annie Ashe Blitzcrank ). So when someone says they are having issues with Garen I realize I need to take the rest of what they say with a grain of salt.

Mews992 votes

I get the kiting but Garen is mainly a top laner yeah there are adc who can play top as well but i don't play those champs, i play melee champs so how do you dodge the massive armor shred?

Corrupt Bliss4 votes

The typical melee top laner has some form of engage/disengage. I suggest using the tools provided to kite backwards, or disengage completely. Additionally, it is important to pay attention to who Garen's villain is. If you are his villain, I'd suggest waiting for jungler/mid pressure. If you ever have the opportunity to pick into Garen, I recommend Gnar, Irelia, Maokai, etc. Champions with heavy lane sustain or range tend to function well against Garen.

jango95553 votes

League has been tilting me pretty hard recently and I haven't been able to tell why, but this post put my fears to sleep. Everything you said is dead on. It's true, as an ADC, if you go against someone who decides to troll pick Nasus, or even just play Alistar, they can dive you on tower and are ultimately screwed early game.

Time Stops3 votes

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. If you really think stopwatch is the most broken item to be added you have another thing coming and must be new around here.. DFG? Devourer?? Those aren't even very old items, and both were insane compared to just a 2 second immunity. I seriously shouldn't even be wasting my time reading this if you are legitimately complaining about GAREN having no counterplay..

Krytoric2 votes

when did i say garen has no counterplay? and i played when DFG and devourer were in the game (i was new mind you) but if you think stop watch is even remotely okay, we dont need to talk lol

SwiftKitten883 votes

i think item 2420 is brilliant... yes it does save you... ONCE

thats it... just once...

and i main ap champs...

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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i think item 2420 is brilliant... yes it does save you... ONCE

thats it... just once...

and i main ap champs...

it does so for free. its stupid.

Scary Door3 votes

I wish riot would come out and explain what they're doing with league, as it seems so broken.

Then we got these new runes, and for the MOST part, they seem okayish? but it just gave EVERYONE a free fuck ton of damage, and the worst addition to the game by far, is - getting that free from a rune is the most insane thing they've ever done, it gives a free "get out of a death" card, it removes being able to punish people for mistakes and its not uncommon to have a fight break out, and have more than half the

Sadly, it is very clear what direction League is headed (and has been heading for awhile).

  • More Damage
  • More mobility
  • Shorter games
  • More needless complexity
  • LC$BigPlay$

This is a soundbite, quick-fix, low-attention-span generation. For e$port$ to be successful (which is what Riot cares about most) you need faster paced games, you need flashy/fast plays with one-shots and lots of dashes, flashes and quick-hits.

No one wants to watch two melee champions fight it out for 10-20 seconds, that's boring, no one wants to see people farming and strategically trading in lane, that's not good 10-20 second video teaster material... you need constant action, faster game play. If Riot could find a way to have laning phase end at 4 minutes, they would. Believe me, they're trying! When I started playing this game, laning phase was legitimately 15 minutes or more... if laning phase lasts 9 minutes in middle-Elo games (Gold-Plat) you should consider yourself lucky.

It is abundantly clear that the game has evolved at mid-to-high level play to something vastly different than what it used to be. Riot will never say this in the verbiage I used, but that's just the way it is. I understand it---the game is 9 years old, they have to keep it fresh. 40-45 minute games are a thing of the past. Comebacks are (by-and-large) yesterday's news. It's all about one-mistake making the difference between a win and a loss.

And, please, spare me your anecdotal, "In my Bronze II match we played for 55 minutes the other day". This is not directed at you, this is really about higher level play---especially Challenger level, LCS, Korean League, etc.

Objectively speaking: The game has changed.

Subjectively speaking: Not for the better.

Hannes2 votes

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They should buff towers and start nerfing literally every aspect of the game. That&#039;s just how i see it, feel free to disagree.

I really agree to this statement, nerf everything take it slow or hell even bring in players to test the items out. That would make it so normal people not just pros can have an impact on how the game is played. You have/had 60 million players if 1% of those people testet that would make that would be 60000 players you don't need to play and that are prob having fun while testing and can give actually good feedback, and best of all this is that you don't need to pay them! But idk that's just my opinion.

Raoul2 votes

This game is going down because everyone who originaly worked on it because they cared about the game and wanted to make it a great game for the community is either gone or has nothing to say any more, the only people who remained were those willing to sell out their creation and work for LCS appeal and big money instea dof the game.

NoSenpaiNoLife2 votes

item 2419 this item really is stupid save 600 gold and allow you to tower dive and survive, even adc take this ......welcom the zhonyas meta.this ruin game balance

Corrupt Bliss1 votes

Because watching Caitlyn Chogath Katarina Kayn Khazix Rengar Syndra Veigar Zed one-shot you is entirely different from Zoe . Not to mention Rengar is getting his Q reverted and his AP ratios buffed... I see so many people complain about Zoe one-shots when several of the champions I've listed have click-on nukes. IMO All of these champions are fine, each has their own play-style, and each has their power-spikes.

Anon E Moose3 votes

Caitlyn - How does she one shot unless your really far behind? Chogath - Yes he can one shot someone but that is his ultimate not his Q. Katarina - Hate this champ just as much as Zoe. Kayn - Agree, his Q can easily 1 shot and if he fails, he can use his no counter play ult on you. Rengar Khazix - Trueee Syndra - Same as Cho, this is her ult. She can't spam it like Zoe. Veigar - He actually needs to scale. Not just get 1 item and go on a rampage. Zed - His ultimate once again. After that, he most likely won't 1 shot you.

Brutal DMG1 votes

SO bad from you, i mean even if anyone suddenly decides to listen to you there is one little problem: THE GAME WILL LITERALLY BECOME: WHO PICKS RENGAR WINS, don't get me wrong, i love playing rengo, is such such such a great champion with such an interesting history and all his aspects, but the revert (lets be honest) is broken. He has the record of the fastest one shot ever (0.001 seconds). If they buff the towers to not be able to towerdive anymore but rengar will be because it's rengar. I am not that good at explaining myself but i hope you understand what i mean, right? Pick rengar or ban rengar, or lose the game, that is what league will become with his overbuffs currently on pbe.

Count Lieberkuhn2 votes

Then this is a problem with Rengar's design. Champions should be balanced around the game, not the other way around.

Brutal DMG1 votes

Yes, true, but rengo is rengo, no matter how much they change, he will still be able to do that. And he is not alone, if the game is balanced around that corner, some champions like Diana/Rengar will be pick or ban, they CANNOT BE BALANCED! Some champions will be broken, and some of my favourites will be just legends (since they will dead=perma ban)

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