when people say mages have never been really good or dominated the game

A Basic Island·Mar 31, 2016·2 votes·454 views

do they forget the double ap vs double ap with the occasional ap jungle thrown in there or does that not count

12 Comments

alfavhunterMar 31, 20163 votes

Double AP is different than 3 ADC, a support and an AD assassin

But it is true AP wasn't always this bad

RalanrMar 31, 20163 votes

I find your lack of tanks, disturbing.

xl Kirito lxMar 31, 20162 votes

The ADC's are building off-tank. Maw + Sterak's + hybrid items.

alfavhunterMar 31, 20162 votes

The support could be the tank

They only need to be a front line for 2-3 seconds before the back line of 3 adc could evaporate anything that came thier way

On top of that many adc have self peels

Example if you have a Quinn, corki and Tristan's adc they all have mobility to escape an assassins gap closer then clean up the assassin with the combined dos of 3 adc, while your assassin takes out thier adc and your 1 support who could be acting as tank holds off the enemy team long enough for the 3 adc to clean house

Hayaishi2Mar 31, 20162 votes

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Double AP is different than 3 ADC, a support and an AD assassin

But it is true AP wasn't always this bad

We used to have AP top, mid and JG too.

AP had the best itemization for years and it was "balanced"

They could just complete athenes and not give a fuck about mana anymore, while also getting CDR and a good amount of AP from it.

They bought seekers and shut down any AD mid that laned against them.

Building MR meant jackshit because of how fast AP scaled, you could sit by mid game with Merc threads and Visage and still get melted by magic damage. It got to the point where they nerfed locket and removed Runic Bulwark because it was the only thing countering AOE magic damage.

And now that things are different (and by different i don't mean it's fine) Riot is playing favorites, can't balance etc etc.

alfavhunterMar 31, 20162 votes

I'm not saying 3 AP was never a thing that could occur in an earlier season, but there was still an ad on that team in the form of adc, the current state f the game is seeing 0 AP and 4 ad + 1 support/tank in a moderately common occurrence

Sariat1Mar 31, 20161 votes

This is why I'm comfortable first or second picking Rammus. AD champs are in right now, and they pick them regardless.

Moulin RougeMar 31, 20162 votes

By AP junglers they mean Elise. AP jungles were still not as common as AD and Elise was queen at the height of AP itemization.

Because back then Diana and Eve were primarily mid laners and Fiddlesticks was only slightly more common.

NidelkhaMar 31, 20161 votes

AP champs are not in a good spot right now.

The Bíg TicketMar 31, 20161 votes

Mages are still completely fine and playable. Obviously adcs are dominating right now but mages are still ALOT better than bruisers. You still see Lisssandra, Lulu, Ahri, Velkoz, Lux and many more picked at high elo or LCS....when was the last time you saw a bruiser top lane or anywhere else? Fiora doesn't count, everyone picked her cause she was broken. You don't see Renekton anymore, you don't see Jax anymore, you don't see Irelia anymore, you don't see Darius anymore, you don't see Riven anymore, etc...

Slack KingMar 31, 20161 votes

The main issues is, they came out with the adc reworks. New ad items, which was fine. Then the Riot nation attacked, they increased the gold cost almost across the board on ap items

Lost RMar 31, 20161 votes

They're too blinded by Yasuo. If the champion can't beat Yasuo, they're worthless. If they can, they're OP and need to be nerfed.

Mages have always been powerful, but people forget that because of the assassin meta. Mages are like artillery. They're really good at dealing damage to a crowd from a safe distance, but melee range is their downfall. Therefore, you need a strong front line to keep them safe.