Why Darius is still banned?

YumaS2Astral··10 votes·2,440 views

I will not deny that Darius is powerful, but he doesn't deserve "pre-silence removal Kassadin" levels of ban.

Maybe he deserved before, but the last nerfs on my opinion made him much more balanced. He now has to actually hit the blade to do significant damage and heal himself. So you have two options: either you try to stay away from the blade's range, or you stick to Darius so that he loses most of his dueling potential.

Not to mention, Darius tends to lose lane to most ranged champions. Lulu for example, will not only crush him in lane, but she will also ensure that Darius will never be able to do anything during teamfights. Gnar can do the same as Lulu with his CC and kiting potential. Renekton is a good option too because of his hit-and-run tatic, he can outsustain Darius while avoiding extended trades with him. There is also Yorick, he can definitively outsustain Darius while kiting him.

I think that the main problem is that people try to engage in long duration trades with Darius. However, peharps with the exception of Jax, Darius is THE master of extended trades. You can't outduel him, especially if you allow him to hit the blade and sustain himself. Darius will win trades with anyone during the early game, and will potentially still outduel most champions during the late game. To combat Darius you should kite him, poke him, and never, ever, try to directly 1x1 him. If possibly, focus on farming. Asking for your jungler's help is also a good idea because Darius lacks escapes. Think of Darius as pre-nerfs Jax, except that he is immobile, but has sustain. Against pre-nerfs Jax you would just avoid extended trades because Jax would always win them.

At the worlds, Darius was almost always banned, but almost everytime he was open and picked, the enemy team would pick Gnar, which can counter Darius since he can kite and poke him. Darius was also constantly ganked and he would need his team's help to do something relevant during teamfights.

On my opinion, if Riot needs to nerf him, I would suggest give to Darius higher mana costs. This will nerf his early game potential while making him unable to spam his axe that much, limiting his sustain. Look at Galio, which has enormous burst, harass and sustain potential, but is severely gated by his mana costs.

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MLDzXnRRR6 votes

Because probably noone wants to play vs him top.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Because probably noone wants to play vs him top.

I don't mind going vs him top, I main Lulu

Narasimha5 votes

Force of habit. People ban him because they have banned him, or because others whine that he should be banned.

Darius Strada1 votes

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Force of habit. People ban him because they have banned him, or because others whine that he should be banned.

Pretty much this.They don't ban him because he's OP.People ban him because everybody bans him.

Wînter Fox3 votes

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Darius will win trades with anyone during the early game, and will potentially still outduel most champions during the late game.

And you still wonder why he's permabanned? Who the hell wants to deal with the ultimate lane bully who will win lane 90% of the time (unless you get your jungle to babysit you, sacrificing his jungle, every other lane, & Drag - then its 50%) AND THEN deal with the ultimate teamfight juggernaut who never fucking dies if you focus him and dunks your whole team if you ignore him.

You'd be out of your mind to not ban the raid boss of League.

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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And you still wonder why he's permabanned? Who the hell wants to deal with the ultimate lane bully who will win lane 90% of the time (unless you get your jungle to babysit you, sacrificing his jungle, every other lane, & Drag - then its 50%) AND THEN deal with the ultimate teamfight juggernaut who never fucking dies if you focus him and dunks your whole team if you ignore him.

You'd be out of your mind to not ban the raid boss of League.

with the last nerf, there is no way for darius to win against renekton and riven

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

Cancer Croc will win lane against anyone who isn't mobile enough to chase him and punish him after his highly controlled trade windows, so thats not a surprise.

Riven was already losing to Darius back when Q was 10%. I don't see how he's suffering now that its 12%. her mobility is largely tied to her skills so the slow already had a low effect on her.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Cancer Croc will win lane against anyone who isn't mobile enough to chase him and punish him after his highly controlled trade windows, so thats not a surprise.

Riven was already losing to Darius back when Q was 10%. I don't see how he's suffering now that its 12%. her mobility is largely tied to her skills so the slow already had a low effect on her.

did you see the nerf of darius in the last patch?

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

The Decimate width nerf really doesn't make or break this match, since the knock back from the 3rd broken wings puts her in the sweet spot for free with a little foresight.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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The Decimate width nerf really doesn't make or break this match, since the knock back from the 3rd broken wings puts her in the sweet spot for free with a little foresight.

no she doesn't, because she she can kill you just with a rotation of spell, until you have some defense, you can't 1v1 her until having at least giant belt

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

Darius bullied her in lane when decimates heal was 10% in lane and his damage values haven't seen any nerfing. I'm not sure where you're getting this "riven does a rotation and Darius dies". Maybe you have him confused with Sion?

hmm... no that can't be right. Sions already dead.

Meep Man4 votes

Renekton appears, good luck Darius

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I have had to fight so many gators lately, it's sickening.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Nasus item 3070

tommyagun1 votes

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And you still wonder why he's permabanned? Who the hell wants to deal with the ultimate lane bully who will win lane 90% of the time (unless you get your jungle to babysit you, sacrificing his jungle, every other lane, & Drag - then its 50%) AND THEN deal with the ultimate teamfight juggernaut who never fucking dies if you focus him and dunks your whole team if you ignore him.

You'd be out of your mind to not ban the raid boss of League.

You are out of your mind to ban him in the first place. There are tons of counters to darius. gnar, vlad, mal, teemo, cho, pretty much any champ with range, but some melee champs like fiora,riven and renekton

Wînter Fox1 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend

Darius is #1 with 88% ban rate. There must be a whole lot of Plat+ players out of their minds/don't main Teemo

TDubH3 votes

Actually as jax i've lost extended trades with him, i can medium length trade him effectively, the trick to beating darius is to remain under 5 stacks to not get bled out, actually as a """jax main""" i enjoy playing against darius, because unlike before i counter him, "Oh you have a range of damage with Q"

  • Good luck with that i have triforce
  • Oh i want to go in? leap strike puts me in safe zone "Oh you have an auto attack reset and slow with w?"
  • oh thats cute, you increased my counterstrike damage. "Oh you have apprehend?"
  • thanks for pulling me closer buddy I love you too. "oh you have execution ultimate?"
  • I have an execution reduction ultimate "Oh you have five stacks?"
  • OH SHIT HE HAS FIVE STACKS ON ME, GOTTA GO FAST.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votes

Your ult does not prevent an execution. It gives you armor and MR which does nothing to protect vs true damage. Also, as a Darius main I will say that Jax isn't the easiest matchup ever but he definitely isn't hard. Jax thrives in extended fights and by the time the fight lasts to the point where Jax starts to win, Darius has 5 bleed stacks on you and wins anyway. It is not hard to get 5 bleed stacks at all. As soon as you get Ravenous or Titanic you can auto reset to 4 stacks in just over a second.

Jax may be slightly better vs him then most but he still loses

TDubH1 votes

Ult helps counteract AD/AP executions hence the point where in a Jax V Darius jax does better in the middle length fights where his gap closer prevents Stack 1, from Q, and the rest of the stacks can be blocked using counter-strike, meaning jax can and will win vs. darius, and since his ult is only an excecute post 5 it can be difficult for darius to get all stacks even with auto resets if jax burns them with his e.

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

Teemo

Lil Lewd Witch2 votes

While he's easier to fight in lane now and overall isn't as OP, he can still snowball very easily and get out of hand. And since right now, kite champions are the most meta right now there's not a lot to stop a raging Darius running through your team and slaying everyone easily. It's sort of why people use to ban Katarina all the time, yeah she wasn't broken but then she won team fight and suddenly was completely unstoppable.

Korillo2 votes

All Darius has to do is get one kill with is ulti and he becomes insanely overpowered for the next 10 seconds or so during any team fight. Rather ban him then roll the dice and hope Darius doesn't get a kill in a 30minute or later team fight.

He can even be significantly behind in the game but still make a huge impact due to this.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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All Darius has to do is get one kill with is ulti and he becomes insanely overpowered for the next 10 seconds or so during any team fight. Rather ban him then roll the dice and hope Darius doesn't get a kill in a 30minute or later team fight.

He can even be significantly behind in the game but still make a huge impact due to this.

all darius has to do, is getting gank non stop for 10 min and be useless in the game

Korillo1 votes

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all darius has to do, is getting gank non stop for 10 min and be useless in the game

Losing dragon and lane pressure in the rest of the lanes is acceptable then? No thanks I'd prefer to just ban him.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Riot hasn't made anything else OP for us to ban yet, so we keep banning Darius. Not to worry, 5.22 is sure to push him out of the banlist pretty quickly.

tommyagun1 votes

Disengage beats darius every time and range champs. Most people ban him because they don't know how to counter play him and most likely feed him. If darius gets really behind like 5 deaths within ten minutes, he is pretty useless. If I play against a darius then I play teemo because he is a great counter to darius and kite him pretty easily. Darius is slow, so try split pushing in a 1 4 or my favorite 1 3 1. Another point to Salty is that any champ gets out of hand when they get fed. People currently overlook disengage team comps and champs.

ZileanUltJesusOP3 votes

As somebody who has mained Darius since his release. Teemo is my absolute favorite matchup. Teemo's auto attack range is lower then Darius's pull range. His only form of harrass at that point is his Q and if you rush a item 3211 you will dunk all over teemo. Every time he comes up to auto harrass. Pull, mash keyboard, michael jordan, and kill. Teemo is an easy matchup for Darius and one where I almost always get fed.

tommyagun1 votes

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As somebody who has mained Darius since his release. Teemo is my absolute favorite matchup. Teemo's auto attack range is lower then Darius's pull range. His only form of harrass at that point is his Q and if you rush a item 3211 you will dunk all over teemo. Every time he comes up to auto harrass. Pull, mash keyboard, michael jordan, and kill. Teemo is an easy matchup for Darius and one where I almost always get fed.

Yeah but a good teemo doesn't get caught by darius e.

ZileanUltJesusOP2 votes

You can't avoid it unless you don't auto him the entire game. Darius has a longer pull range than teemos auto range, so if you concede to just never auto him Darius wins lane and then outscales you and is a bigger impact for his respective team

tommyagun1 votes

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You can't avoid it unless you don't auto him the entire game. Darius has a longer pull range than teemos auto range, so if you concede to just never auto him Darius wins lane and then outscales you and is a bigger impact for his respective team

Yes it may have longer range but a good teemo can dodge it and should always be in better position. IN my experiences Darius even when he was op was easy for me to beat.

ZileanUltJesusOP2 votes

You are missing the obvious Teemo has less auto range than Darius pull Teemo walks up to auto His animation begins Darius throws pull If you don't flash it will hit you as darius pull is 50 units longer than a teemo auto. With no blink or dash i nteemo's kit if Darius throws his pull when you auto it will hit you.

tommyagun1 votes

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You are missing the obvious Teemo has less auto range than Darius pull Teemo walks up to auto His animation begins Darius throws pull If you don't flash it will hit you as darius pull is 50 units longer than a teemo auto. With no blink or dash i nteemo's kit if Darius throws his pull when you auto it will hit you.

you are missing the point, I understand what you are saying. Yes the chance of getting pulled in are high but can still be dodged by a good teemo. Positioning is key.

ZileanUltJesusOP1 votes

You cannot dodge every single one. You can dodge some and harrass him and he will get low and back or whatever but the second he lands one pull you lost the lane. Also he can always flash pull you and if you flash the slow from the pull is easily enough for him to catch back up to you and hit you with another slow from his W. Darius always wins this lane easy. Not only that but if the lane is a wash Darius outscales the hell out of Teemo

tommyagun1 votes

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You cannot dodge every single one. You can dodge some and harrass him and he will get low and back or whatever but the second he lands one pull you lost the lane. Also he can always flash pull you and if you flash the slow from the pull is easily enough for him to catch back up to you and hit you with another slow from his W. Darius always wins this lane easy. Not only that but if the lane is a wash Darius outscales the hell out of Teemo

Actually Teemo is Darius counter for a reason. Yes, all Darius needs is a black cleaver and he is fine and yes hie e has longer range, but how is he going to dunk teemo when teemo only has one stack on him. A teemo that is build right should win nearly every trade. Ok I get pulled in then what I get hit by his w and q and only get one stack on me. Darius cant basic attack and put on more than one stack. Also his e is on a somewhat long cooldown. A darius should not out trade against a good teemo maybe against a bad teemo player I can see it happening. Why bec if a good teemo player gets pulled in they can use q and hit w to run away. Also depends on what that teemo player builds on teemo.

SSJTribe2 votes

I'm with you man, I dunno why people think Teemo is good against Darius. You simply CANNOT avoid the pull. It's not about being in good position or anything like that, you just can't hardly even be in the same lane as Darius. Teemo is one of my highest mastery champs.

SaltyKracka1 votes

He might not be OP right now, but nobody wants to play against him.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

I mainly ban him so someone on my team doesn't pick him.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

So my team mates don't play him [slayer-jinx-wink]

Very Hard Engage1 votes

because you counterpick him or he just runs rampant in a team fight, you have to pick at least 1 kite champion who can deal with him or else hes still a huge pain.

Spoofghoul1 votes

Beats me why ppl ban him

Sure he can be powerfull but there is planty that can lane vs him and be a better teamfighter.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

Kennen is the main reason you dont ban darius.

ZileanUltJesusOP1 votes

*Builds item 3065 *

Dunkrius2g1 votes

On my opinion, if Riot needs to nerf him

Then delete him. No point in kicking the dead horse.

CatSith1 votes

Just wait til tomorrow, the new changes to Auto attack empowered skills will make darius weaker to other top laners like jax/panthe.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Just wait til tomorrow, the new changes to Auto attack empowered skills will make darius weaker to other top laners like jax/panthe.

which sort of change? I missed that completely

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Basically, effects like Pantheon's passive, Jax's Dodge and Teemo's Blind will now all consistently block the full effect of empowered attacks, and the buff is consumed by the missed attack.

So they can actually swing and miss with power hits.

CatSith1 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/patch-522-notes_10.html Its under the base mana regen buffs.

Empowered Basic Attack Changes Historically, the way empowered basic attacks would affect their target if they'd fail to hit (due to Teemo's Blinding Dart, Pantheon's Aegis of Zeonia, or Jax's Counterstrike) has been pretty inconsistent. In some cases they'd do nothing, in others they'd apply crowd control (but no damage) and in a few they'd just ignore the status altogether. We've retooled these to more consistently meet expectations: if one of the following empowered basic attack misses its target, it won't deal any damage or apply any other effects. In cases where this is tied to a buff, that buff will be consumed as well.

The following abilities will be consumed and have no effect if they would miss: Blitzcrank E - Power Fist

Darius W - Crippling Strike

Ekko Passive - Z-Drive Resonance

Garen Q - Decisive Strike

Jayce R - Transform: Mercury Hammer

Jax W - Empower

Kassadin W - Nether Blade

Leona Q - Shield of Daybreak

Master Yi Passive - Double Strike

Nasus Q - Siphoning Strike

Nautilus Passive - Staggering Blow

Rengar Q - Savagery

Renekton W - Ruthless Predator

Riven Passive - Runic Blade

Sejuani W - Flail of the Northern Winds

Shyvana Q - Twin Bite

Skarner E - Fracture

Sona Passive - Power Chord

Talon Q - Noxian Diplomacy

Trundle Q - Chomp

Twisted Fate W - Pick A Card

Udyr E - Bear Stance

Vayne Q - Tumble

Viktor Q - Siphon Power

Wukong Q - Crushing Blow

Xin Zhao Q - Three Talon Strike

Ziggs Passive - Short Fuse

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I think it's kind of like why people ban Riven even if she isn't OP, they don't like having to deal with her, and if they snowball then they're insufferable.

MakeThemBleed1 votes

Just wait until 5.22 comes out, there are more frightening things to be afraid of than darius.

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