Assassins are too rewarding for how easy they are to play

Cloud273··4 votes·958 views

Most of them have access to stealth, a repositioning ability, or both. Most of them don't have skillshots, and if they do it's an ability with an extremely large hitbox (Kha'zix 'w'). And of course they have some of the best single target nukes in the game. And a lot of them also have resets on their jumps/dashes/etc, which makes it extremely hard to punish them after they murder your team. Oh, and I forgot, most of them also have access to abilities that heal them (Rengar, Kha'zix, Akali, Master Yi, etc). The amount of survivability assassins have in their kits is absolutely insane. And let's not forget about the massive buffs armor pen items got this year. TLDR assassins are way too easy to play and the class as a whole needs some serious gutting.

Oh, and I forgot. Most of them are also manaless. And most of their ults have extremely short cooldowns. And Riot makes it even easier for them to itemize cdr, since more armor pen items also have cdr.

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MagicFlyingLlama8 votes

"The amount of survivability assassins have in their kits is absolutely insane" I stopped reading and started banging my face on my monitor.

Ralanr1 votes

Careful. It might break.

Cloud2732 votes

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"The amount of survivability assassins have in their kits is absolutely insane" I stopped reading and started banging my face on my monitor.

Maybe if you bang your head a little harder it'll knock some sense into you.

Astôlfo1 votes

You seemed to have knocked too hard and ended up knocking your brain cells out instead.

Astôlfo6 votes

"Most of them have access to stealth" "Most of them" "Most" ???????

Kha'Zix's W is shit for damage. It's used for the slow.

"And of course they have some of the best single target nukes in the game" No shit, they're an assassin. That's their entire point of existence.

Master Yi is not an assassin. Rengar's Heal is situational. Kha'Zix has no heals that I can remember. Akali is an exception with built in spellvamp.

But item 1029 playing item 1033 smart item 3026 must item 3053 be item 3156 really item 3157 hard item 2043 am item 3340 I item 3363 right item 3092 ?

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Khan's W heals him.

The rest seems solid.

Astôlfo1 votes

Oh hey... it does. I learned something new.

But then I saw... it's... Inside the explosion radius... Which he really shouldn't be in if he's using it to slow them down in the first place. Because if he jumped right on top of them, his Q-auto-Tiamat combo should be more than enough to kill almost any intended target.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Tbh his heal is rather unnoticeable.

There are probably quite a few Kha players who dent know about the heal on his W lol.

Jayblaze1 votes

Not noticeable in a fight i agree, but can't be unseen when youre clearing the jungle because it helps a lot

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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"Most of them have access to stealth" "Most of them" "Most" ???????

He said stealth, a repositioning ability, or both, lol.

Kha'Zix's W is shit for damage. It's used for the slow.

Compared to what? His Q? 200 + 100% bonus AD isn't laughed off by a squishy (his target), and if evolved it does 240+120% bonus AD.

"And of course they have some of the best single target nukes in the game" No shit, they're an assassin. That's their entire point of existence.

Of course.

Master Yi is not an assassin.

True.

Rengar's Heal is situational.

Generally speaking, in lane it makes him hard to poke down (top Rengar is fun).

Kha'Zix has no heals that I can remember.

His W heals him.

Covert Ops Gnar2 votes

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"Most of them have access to stealth" "Most of them" "Most" ???????

Kha'Zix's W is shit for damage. It's used for the slow.

"And of course they have some of the best single target nukes in the game" No shit, they're an assassin. That's their entire point of existence.

Master Yi is not an assassin. Rengar's Heal is situational. Kha'Zix has no heals that I can remember. Akali is an exception with built in spellvamp.

But item 1029 playing item 1033 smart item 3026 must item 3053 be item 3156 really item 3157 hard item 2043 am item 3340 I item 3363 right item 3092 ?

Master yi is an assassin dumbshit

Astôlfo1 votes

The irony is killing me faster than any assassin could.

JustMonika131 votes

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Master yi is an assassin dumbshit

Nope. Master Yi is recognized as a melee carry and under the "new soon to come" class system, he's classified as a skirmisher, along with Yasuo Fiora Tryndamere.

Cloud2731 votes

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Nope. Master Yi is recognized as a melee carry and under the "new soon to come" class system, he's classified as a skirmisher, along with Yasuo Fiora Tryndamere.

That is so bullsh*t. Master Yi is an assassin and everyone knows it.

Astôlfo2 votes

Uh no. Every intelligent player knows Master Yi is not an assassin. I'm sorry if that's difficult for you to grasp though. :^)

Cloud2731 votes

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Uh no. Every intelligent player knows Master Yi is not an assassin. I'm sorry if that's difficult for you to grasp though. :^)

Dude, Riot has him classified as an assassin and he has an assassin skin. What more proof do you need?

Astôlfo1 votes

Riot's class classifications are old and outdated, which they themselves said. The ones listed in each page is about as accurate as death recap.

Annie has a reverse Annie skin where Tibbers is the Annie, when Tibbers is a massive tanky summoned pet. Annie's still not a tank.

JustMonika131 votes

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That is so bullsh*t. Master Yi is an assassin and everyone knows it.

An assassin that can also kill a tank shall he put his mind to it? Sorry but assassins really can't duel much less burst down a tank like Yi can. Assassins = deleting a single target, maybe two, and either escape or die trying; Skirmishers = can kill anyone and anything, but a tad bit slower, and have defensive tools in order survive (Yi Alpha Strike and Meditate). Think sustained damage vs burst damage. Yi has sustained damage. Sustained damage = Skirmisher.

CerealBoxOfDoom4 votes
  1. you are using assassin as an umbrella term for champs that hardly even fit the traditional classification
  2. I'm not convinced you even have a clear definition of "rewarding"
  3. every champ is easy to play against an easy opponent.
Ralanr2 votes

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  1. you are using assassin as an umbrella term for champs that hardly even fit the traditional classification
  2. I'm not convinced you even have a clear definition of "rewarding"
  3. every champ is easy to play against an easy opponent.

Bolded for emphasis.

Cloud2731 votes

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  1. you are using assassin as an umbrella term for champs that hardly even fit the traditional classification
  2. I'm not convinced you even have a clear definition of "rewarding"
  3. every champ is easy to play against an easy opponent.

Ok, since you're such an expert, please tell me what is the "traditional classification"?

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Note that really really old champs, prototypes for something and a few others are, in a way exceptions or appear to be so but really aren't once you actually think about it. For the most part this refers to Irelia Gangplank Zed

Assassins are champs that typically are designed for single target burst with frontloaded damage and abilities meant to remove the ability to retaliate quite enough in time. They also tend to have EXTREMELY strong engaging abilities when looked at in a vacuum. Rather than strong defenses they are typically either rewarded heavily for killing the opponent or just evade damage altogether.

Assassins are not heavy survivability champs and will be punished somewhat for trying to be. They are cousins of the carry and will typically share some traits with them.

Carries on the otherhand are just heavy damage dealers that tend to deal a lot of sustained damage over time. One of the biggest differences between a carry and assassin is the front loaded damage and the reliability of their engage pattern. Melee carries tend to resemble assassins but rather than literal evasion they tend to have some ridiculous "lol nope" ability.

In otherwords

Akali - outdated assassin Khazix - assassin Rengar - problematic fighter with an offcolor ult like JarvanIV Vi MasterYi - melee adc aka melee carry aka carry type assassin aka not really an assassin but can sortof do their job

Ralanr3 votes

Wait until the class update to do the most of your complaining.

ownagepants111 votes

i heard that about the rework two months ago then no more news came out i thought it had been scraped.

Ralanr1 votes

They aren't going to talk about it every week.

TequilaZombie1 votes

It's coming up next month. Mid-Late november. The hype is just gone.

Weathered3 votes

Most of them aren't manaless, only a few have hard cc, a number of them are feast or famine, and the survivability is because they get locked down easily.

That being said there is a class update soon.

Timethief492 votes

Ahri so Akali easy Fizz to Katarina play Khazix really Leblanc no Rengar skill Zed required Garen

Meep Man1 votes

One (arguably two) of these is not like the others

Timethief491 votes

the garen is a joke aka is arguable

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Also guess what, most of them are melee so if they are laning they can get poked out hard by any ranged champion since they're so squishy. There's a reason why there's always a item 3157 in every mage guide, and that's why ADCs have a support to peel for them. Assassins don't teamfight very well, being squishy and diving into the enemy team is really risky. If they get caught with cc, they're dead since they must build full damage to quickly kill a squishy and then get back out. item 3102 Will severely cut down the damage they do, and as a squishy backliner you shouldn't be getting hit with anything so soon that the passive shield pops before you get to do anything really.

Jayblaze1 votes

Complaining about assassins being assassins lul Another pleb posting while being drunk

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