Death's dance shouldn't have the highest ad possible on an item.

Dasdi96·Jun 20, 2017·13 votes·642 views

It should have at max 60 ad. It gives too much anti burst potential, and becomes completely abusive on draven, riven, and fiora.

16 Comments

PrinceOfStormsJun 20, 20176 votes

Death's Dance, Guardian Angel, and Phantom Dancer are all items that should get the axe.

xWatersJun 20, 20172 votes

I 100% agree with GA. Such a toxic item, but I think death dance should stay they just gotta tone it down..

CremepieJun 20, 20171 votes

Yeah just revert the changes on DD, I like it for its 10% CDR lifesteal physical damage niche, not so much for the anti-burst anyway.

Big LincolnJun 20, 20173 votes

DD was fine until they made it too strong

just nerf the dot conversion

Kai GuyJun 20, 20172 votes

item 3043 I think has the highest possible ad potential in game, but I do understand what you are trying to say.

NotCounterJun 20, 20172 votes

what i dont like about the item is how it empowers mindless aggressive gameplay which is how you get the largest benefit from the item. then paired with the already existent pool of defensive items for AD champions...

Dasdi96Jun 20, 20171 votes

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what i dont like about the item is how it empowers mindless aggressive gameplay which is how you get the largest benefit from the item. then paired with the pool of already existent pool of defensive items for AD champions...

That is what is going on. Champions like Draven Riven Fiora now just run in and try to deal as much damage as possible without any planning at all. The skill that they take go out the window. This is even further worsened if they have a heal/shield support keeping them alive, empowering their mindless gameplay.

DiatonixJun 20, 20171 votes

It actually shouldn't exist. It completely destroys any chance at balance for more than a few already devatably overturned champions

YumaS2AstralJun 20, 20171 votes

This item was actually balanced before when it gave just 15% damage delay. Riot for some reason decided to double it, and here we have the result.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJun 20, 20171 votes

I agree and feel same for item 3074 , i think u should either choose high AD, cool passive/Active or depush. High AD item should have a item 1038 in their build path

Asayake 5150glowJun 21, 20171 votes

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I agree and feel same for , i think u should either choose high AD, cool passive/Active or depush. High AD item should have a in their build path

'cool passive/Active' isn't exactly a benefit on it's own... Also the passive is also the depush part. Rav gives waveclear without use of abilities, extra burst, and lifesteal. It gives slightly less damage than a Lethality item (against squishies) and less sustain than DD or BT, but it's gated by skill (being able to Tiamat perfectly in combo's can be tough. Not for everyone though, mainly for Riven (E+R+auto+Tiamat+doublecast ftw)). I see it as a generalist item, which is why it was Riven's recommended second item after Cleaver - good against everything.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJun 21, 20171 votes

i don't speak only for hydra, but DD. And there no dificulty in using tiamat.

Asayake 5150glowJun 21, 20171 votes

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i don't speak only for hydra, but DD. And there no dificulty in using tiamat.

It's harder to combo perfectly with on Riven, as you have to activate it right in the middle of another combo, which is fucked up will fuck your entire combo. That's because of the limited time window after casting E that a doublecast is possible.

I don't think it's that complicated for everyone else tho

Sun Wu RyuumokuJun 22, 20171 votes

Riven is a special case ^^