Garen and his old problems vs. now

Jefftiffy··3 votes·878 views

They are exactly the same. You can thank the revival of his W passive and the upgrading passive he has now. He doesn't ever fall off not does he have a weak point. His W passive MR and Armor is toxic when combined with his passive (a huge reason why it was removed even back before his passive scaled). And to top everything off he has a silence on a move that is mobility, damage enhance, AA reset, slow removal. Now he also has a really loaded spin to win (not that it's the great but is pretty damn overloaded).

They need to shift garen away from so much stupid utility that he's cancer when ahead or useless when behind.

  1. Silence needs to be removed and replaced with a 40% slow (50% on the villain). Slows are more consistent in general and not as toxic when applied to the target. AAs while on CD to champs decrease the CD by 1s each.
  2. Spin to win needs to deal normal damage to single targets. No bonus damage from being alone. That isn't his niche. Spin to win should do increased damage to groups of champs not to single targets for the same amount it does single target currently.
  3. His free armor and MR should be replaced with scaling tenacity up to 15% (.1875% per farm or 80 for max). His W should give him 5% MS for each friendly champ near him within a 750 unit radius on activation for 3s and will slow enemies nearby (500 units) by 5% for each allied champ hit initially at the end.
  4. His ult should no longer convert fully to true damage (maybe 25-50%) and should do physical damage.
  5. His passive turns off if he is in combat with a champion (meaning he no longer regens while on the offensive). Minions should stop his passive from turning back on (but doesn't turn it off) until level 9.
  6. New passive interaction with Villian. You shall not pass: Garen will leap over the target on Q hit and impose himself causing him to be able to body block the target (even through ghost effects)

This is all an effort to make Garen less toxic, but also allowed to actually be decent without being under the microscope whenever he is.

8 Comments

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Also the villian thing I feel has got to go.. Well at least the current one.. Why does riot insist on giving juggernauts true damage.. So you cant build to damage them... but you can't build against their damage because either silly free armor pen or true damage..

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Also the villian thing I feel has got to go.. Well at least the current one.. Why does riot insist on giving juggernauts true damage.. So you cant build to damage them... but you can't build against their damage because either silly free armor pen or true damage..

I honestly think that the Juggernaut update hurt the game more than it helped. It was actually in a pretty good state before it. Why is someone meant to be a tank doing damage (Garen). Why is someone meant to be an mage being made into a tanky ADC? Why is Darius trying to be swapped to a weird tank bruiser called a juggernaut when he was supposed to be damage? Skarner's was probably one of the best and look at what happened to him. He got over tuned and nerfed into the ground. I felt like his was the best one of the bunch (in terms of the rework) but they straight up over did it.

Reaper Review2 votes

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Why is Darius trying to be swapped to a weird tank bruiser called a juggernaut when he was supposed to be damage?

Darius still IS damage. In fact, he arguably does MORE damage now because his bleed applies AND benefits from Cleaver, plus the massive chunk of AD he gains when his passive goes off.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Darius still IS damage. In fact, he arguably does MORE damage now because his bleed applies AND benefits from Cleaver, plus the massive chunk of AD he gains when his passive goes off.

The thing is, if he never gets his passive off he is worse than before. The only time he is ever better is if he manages to proc his 5 stacks which is much harder to do. Also I don't really think it's healthy for a champ to build tank and do massive damage. At least bruiser makes sense because you actually built some and aren't that durable.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

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I honestly think that the Juggernaut update hurt the game more than it helped. It was actually in a pretty good state before it. Why is someone meant to be a tank doing damage (Garen). Why is someone meant to be an mage being made into a tanky ADC? Why is Darius trying to be swapped to a weird tank bruiser called a juggernaut when he was supposed to be damage? Skarner's was probably one of the best and look at what happened to him. He got over tuned and nerfed into the ground. I felt like his was the best one of the bunch (in terms of the rework) but they straight up over did it.

He was proof though that you didn't have to give juggernauts stupid sustain (he has his shield.. but id rather fight that than darius q every couple seconds. Also skarner had no true damage <3

LookItsRain2 votes

As a garen main, removing the silence would make garen another cookie cutter tank with yet another boring slow making him unkitable. If people are not allowed to have a simple silence, then why do champs like yasuo, vayne etc, there kit is more broken then a silence. Point 2 would make him auto lose lane, depending on how gutted you want his damage to be for one target Point 3 would make him unkitable in a teamfight Point 4-6, villian ult passive effect needs to be removed out of his kit. His ult should do magic and never be changed to physical, his rank 1 ult is already pretty weak.

Garen is pretty easy to beat, alot of easy counters come to mind. He just scales really well into late game and most people just let him spin on everyone in a team fight.

Frost Hellfire1 votes

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Tychusfindlay9191 votes

If you make his ult physical damage and make garen full AD, then youll have to make the missing health mechanic scale with AD as well, otherwise anyone with even one armor/semi armor item will completely ignore garen.

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