This snowballed into three turrets, rift herald, and then a fourth turret, because Tristana's advantage was so fucking massive and we can't hold against her. And coincidentally complete loss of control of our jungle.
When the fuck is this going to be fixed? One lane should not be able to irrevocably throw the game at 7 minutes.
dangopee73 votesArdent was only a small part of the problem. ADC itemization has gotten too efficient too early.
has already hit late game while everyone else is struggling to complete their second item.
EDIT:
Yeah I'm exaggerating about everyone else struggling to complete their second item but it still stands that is the strongest three item spike in the game and for only 8600g. Why is 3400g again? Why are 
only 2600g? When 
are all 3500+
ModWulf Helhammer5 votesThat's 3 and half items, and 9,900 gold, and with boots its 11,000. Yeah, that is basically late game.
Verxint60 votes
is 12750 gold
is 13000 gold
is 12933 gold
is 13500 gold
is 12050 gold
is 14033 gold
is 12300 gold
Maybe I'm crazy, but shouldn't the items for the "lategame scaling" champion class, the items that scale the hardest, be more expensive than the others by a noticeable margin?
Krinu44 votesNo, no, you don't understand, it's all Ardent Censer's fault. And maybe Janna.
It has nothing to do with crit-based carries having literally perfect itemization for less gold than anyone else.
Dememnon1 votes350 less gold than mages, 700 less than top lane tanks, 633 less than top lane damage carries (That's not a good build either). Quit your whining, you seem to forget that adc's are sharing xp with another laner and are prone to being dove constantly from innately tanky champs like Rammus, Chogath, Zac etc. That gold is barely anything when u account the gold value from leveling up. The only problem is supports being insanely strong. Nowadays, junglers and supports decide game outcomes. Hopefully preseason doesn't allow this bullshit anymore.
BoilTheOil4 votesAdcs don't really need xp as much as other champions one of the reasons that 
changed to mid lane was so that they could get their own xp (not the main reason).
Dememnon1 votesNo, their main reason was because they are better at bursting than dps, which is what bot lane thrives on, dps, whilst the supports do the burst or counter burst. People ignore the fact that mage items have much more immediately effective building parts (25 ap > 12% atkspeed for only 125 gold more) Fighters get several Long Swords, adc's either have to buy more dorans blades or a pickaxe/cloak or spend all of their income on a BF/Zeal early game. By that time, a tank can buy tabis and completely shit on them or a mid mage can easily burst them with their ~40 or so ap in items. All in all, you can go adc and spam buy long swords early because you want more items, but if you want to actually be effective, you have to wait much longer and spend more chunks of money at once whilst tanks can just stack up cloth armors which all build into cheap items/fighters buy longswords and get a tiamat/scepter etc, mages buy tomes, have much higher scaling abilities that impact fights faster.
DeusVult4 votesCarries dont deal DPS when the have 3 crit items
They burst on every attack. The only people that they deal average damage to are tanks who have build multiple items to counter the adc. For example 
. Yet they still die after only 5-6 seconds. ADCs are a DPS/Burst/draintank/objective class. There itemization is hugely overpowered and under priced
Ryrynounet4 votesI can already imagine maokai's first back with 2K gold against a ryze buying 
because of botlane :^)
BoilTheOil6 votesThey burst because they have more xp which means points in their burst abilities
Sujiren9 votesThis guy gets it. It makes 0 fucking sense that the best scaling damage build is also the cheapest one.
cuddlykitten42 votesIt's also on the style of champs that have the least benefit from leveling as well.
Daunt25 votesHuh? Why did this get downvoted? The problem with these hypercarries comes from their current itemization. Due to the Shiv and RFC stacking alongside the crit that they get from the build they do BPS instead of DPS. Ardent was annoying but it wasn't broken ever since they removed the drain effect, the real culprit is the crit itemization.
Troll for Trump7 votesNo, the problem is how the power curve/levels are always based around ADCs. Riot has been pushing ADCs way too much
Daunt19 votesNo? The problem is that Riot buffed their itemization and made it cheaper because people were screaming like autists that ADCs were weak. All that they have to do is either nerf the crit itemization generally or get rid of the Shiv and RFC stacking. Throw in some slight Twitch nerfs and ADCs will be okay. There's a reason you don't see other ADCs that use crit like Jinx or Ashe getting out of control like Trist.
Troll for Trump5 votesNo, it doesn't matter what ADC is meta, because some ADC is always necessary. Just a while ago, you'd have said the same thing but with Cait, or Draven, and so on. The "tier 1" ADCs rotate, but they're always significantly influencing the meta.
Same case with itemization buffs or nerfs.
Daunt3 votesWhat you just said has nothing to do with this situation. ADCs are always relevant but that doesn't mean that they should constantly be the best class in the game nor be allowed to have broken itemization. When Caitlyn was meta it was because the champ was overtuned not the itemization. What's happening now is that every ADC that can go with Shiv and RFC in their build is the only thing that's viable besides Twitch cause for some reasons he's really good at evading nerfs.
Nothing will rotate unless they nerf the current itemization. Maybe preseason shakes things up but all i'm seeing is ADCs getting a huge AS steroid as a rune that will replace ardent.
PB4UAME10 votesWhat he said has everything to do with the situation.
The situation is that ADCs have been the only 200% mandatory class (at least 1 ADC REQUIRED per team) for, oh let's see now. . . EIGHT GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING YEARS while also having the best scaling, every other champion balanced around them, all bruisers and fighters designed around interacting with ADCs and giving an advantage in these interactions to ADCs under the guise of "counterplay" which only ever applies to classes that kill ADC, and are always ranged, as opposed to melee counter play. So only ranged champions and especially ADCs with mandatory innate mobility, or hard CC to self peel, or both, are allowed to actually counterplay other champions, while immobile and especially melees get increasingly fucked over, and then! As if all of this wasn't enough, they made game pacing changes in patch 5.22 to utterly remove late game entirely, and to turn their snowballing from 11, up to fucking 20. Then, across every single major patch, (including 5.22 itself which contained a buff to almost literally every single ADC) they have systemically buffed ADCs, made their itemization stronger, and scale with iteself better, while continually nerfing its price for the exact same stats they even turned GA into a pure ADC item, along with retuning DD, ER, Runaan's and BotRK for ADCs, and let their items that previously had unique passives, stack with each other, and a new keystone they added just for ADCs.
Azadethe4 votesNo? The problem is that Riot buffed their itemization and made it cheaper because people were screaming like autists that ADCs were weak. All that they have to do is either nerf the crit itemization generally or get rid of the Shiv and RFC stacking. Throw in some slight Twitch nerfs and ADCs will be okay. There's a reason you don't see other ADCs that use crit like Jinx or Ashe getting out of control like Trist.
Choose a different term than "Autist" please. About 1 in 8 kids is born with it. My Son has it, and other than speaking, he's turning out to be brilliant.
Sewer Side34 votesIf someone fed 4 kills in 7 minutes, you have a bigger problem than Trist, lmao
MangelinaJolie7 votesDoesn't mean it was any one person. It's a duo lane, it's conceivable a fight was lost bot lane. Even with a gank that could end with her getting three.
ManiacalCoyote5 votesNah, the support probably died once, then their JG tried ganking and Trist got a Triple off of the gank.
Veraska27 votesI remember when being 4/0 on rengar meant something
Gallows madness6 votesLOL that's insanely true. RIP even I hate the new rengar and I don't play him. it's not the fact he is super strong or anything. It's the utter fact that the old rengar actually could do something over the new one
Dememnon11 votesCrazy how it still does lol
Daunt21 votesThat can be applied to any other lane as well. My mid just gave 4 kills to the enemy mage/assassin. The jungler came and they took the first blood turret. Afterwards they roamed bot/top and got another objective as well as some kills. Competely lost control of the jungle. The game was over by the 7th minute.
See? Stop making so many shit posts. Snowballing has been happening way before this meta.
GGLineaR7 votesThat can be applied to any other lane as well. My mid just gave 4 kills to the enemy mage/assassin. The jungler came and they took the first blood turret. Afterwards they roamed bot/top and got another objective as well as some kills. Competely lost control of the jungle. The game was over by the 7th minute.
See? Stop making so many shit posts. Snowballing has been happening way before this meta.
The low costs of AD items makes the problem more noticable and extreme when the bot lane is snowballing, though.
mack911213 votesShe got 4 kills.... What do you expect ?
Gelmous11 votesthat's because their jungler is smarter than your jungler, he knows if he ganks bot and gets first blood and a tower he can train roll that lane and that's what he does.
Edit: checked your match history the last twenty games only one has an enemy tristana with more than four kills so i'm going to assume that's the game you're talking about
yup first blood at 5 minutes with the help of j4 and a tower down 3 minutes later wow no wonder bot lane snowballed really hard and to top it off you did the least amounts of damage less than the losing support, why don't you just accept the fact that the J4 out jungled you and had a bigger impact on the game ? swallow your pride and stop twisting facts, it was the J4 that decided the game and not tristana
Darth West10 votes"ADC 2k17 LUL."
Ahh, when the community complained about the ADC's being to weak long ago.. And now they are destroying every other lane like it's nothing.
[sg-miss-fortune]
May this be a lesson to not complain about something and make a meme out of it.
Ungrateful Thug12 votes"ADC 2k17 LUL."
Ahh, when the community complained about the ADC's being to weak long ago.. And now they are destroying every other lane like it's nothing.
[sg-miss-fortune]
May this be a lesson to not complain about something and make a meme out of it.
Funny thing is that that period is when ADCs actually felt balanced.
Darth West6 votesSad but true, lol.
Khristophoros9 votescan you wait like 3 days for the preseason dude lmao
Yenn25 votescan you wait like 3 days for the preseason dude lmao
Point me to where they gutted ADCs in the preseason
Khristophoros13 votesPoint me to where they gutted ADCs in the preseason
Everything will change due to new runes. zzz
Have you considered the fact that Fleet Footwork
That's not an ADC nerf? Really?
Yenn19 votesEverything will change due to new runes. zzz
Have you considered the fact that Fleet Footwork
- does not scale off crit
- 40% reduced healing vs minions
That's not an ADC nerf? Really?
I'm pretty sure it isn't masteries that are allowing the two item Tristana to jump in and 3 shot me at 15 minutes
ModWulf Helhammer9 votesYeah, that's not a problem with ADCs, that's the fact that a carry champion is fed. That will happen with nearly every other carry in the game, AP or AD.
You were the jungler -- maybe you should have tried to do something before it got too far, or focused on getting another lane fed in the meantime.
Your stats that game are pretty bad: least amount of damage (your Lulu support dealt more than you), least amount of wards in the entire game, and not a single bit of defense built until the 19th minute, against a near full damage enemy comp. Here's something that would have helped: instead of swifties (why in the world would you build those), take Tabi.
RedPannda5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PLW2UELw,comment-id=00060000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-05T00:22:18.875+0000)
Yeah, that's not a problem with ADCs, that's the fact that a carry champion is fed. That will happen with nearly every other carry in the game, AP or AD.
You were the jungler -- maybe you should have tried to do something before it got too far, or focused on getting another lane fed in the meantime.
Your stats that game are pretty bad: least amount of damage (your Lulu support dealt more than you), least amount of wards in the entire game, and not a single bit of defense built until the 19th minute, against a near full damage enemy comp. Here's something that would have helped: instead of swifties (why in the world would you build those), take Tabi.
Ouch, OP gonna need some burn cream for that.
Why does he get all these upvotes anyways? I see him making some hyperbolic statement at least twice a day usually completely over simplifying something and the birds just flock to his breadcrumbs.
ModWulf Helhammer10 votesRight now, it's because he's anti ADC and the rage against them has spiked back up again. Once any post like this reaches the front page, it's hopeless for anyone trying to make any actual kind of point, as they just get downvoted by the circle jerk
Yenn8 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PLW2UELw,comment-id=00060000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-05T00:22:18.875+0000)
Yeah, that's not a problem with ADCs, that's the fact that a carry champion is fed. That will happen with nearly every other carry in the game, AP or AD.
You were the jungler -- maybe you should have tried to do something before it got too far, or focused on getting another lane fed in the meantime.
Your stats that game are pretty bad: least amount of damage (your Lulu support dealt more than you), least amount of wards in the entire game, and not a single bit of defense built until the 19th minute, against a near full damage enemy comp. Here's something that would have helped: instead of swifties (why in the world would you build those), take Tabi.
Good Bronze level analysis of a game you weren't in.
My bottom lane was pushed to the enemy turret 100% of the time. I asked them to stop and they didn't, making the lane ungankable. The enemy jungle ganked bottom lane once, and I counter ganked, and we traded 1 for 1, but my bottom lane overstayed after and gave another kill.
Afterwards, I went top and ganked the enemy jungle who was holding. We killed him, but my top lane overstayed and then the enemy top tried to dive him as he got back. I stopped the dive and killed him, and then finally recalled.
After I recalled, I started going towards bottom lane, but the enemy jungle got there significantly earlier and ganked my bottom, because they were pushed to the enemy turret. Tristana got another double kill
I was ahead until Tristana picked up the final 2 kills and turret, at which point I can't actually make contact with her, and the enemy team grouped as 5 as soon as the turret went down, completely shutting me down. As a 4-1 Udyr, I cannot do anything about a 4-0 Tristana, because I cannot make contact with her.
There's no potential for outplay here specifically because she's an ADC. If it were an AP champion that fed, it wouldn't be an issue, because their kits generally have counterplay.
ModWulf Helhammer6 votesThen explain having:
and most importantly:
You went two and seven (with 0 assists!!)!! You know we can check that shit right? You can't try and lie and say you got 4 kills, unless somehow there's now a mechanic that allows the enemy to take them off of you.
Yeah, sure your Kog kinda fed them, but you did next to nothing that game, and you can't lie when your stats show it
Sewer Side5 votesWelcome to a Yenn post. Try to not apply much logic
He's never been at fault for his team losing. He belongs in Masters+ dammit but his plat teammates (or Kennen being weak in S6 lmfao) are dragging him down.
NineTailedMystic3 votesLethal Tempo? Press the Attack?
YambrinZ9 votesPretty sure if you give anyone 4 free kills they will rampage through your entire team.
Yordle Xayah6 votesDo not try to make this look as if it was a Tristana thing. It's just the current state of the game. I just had a game where our Top Yoric was murdering their Top inhibitor tower at like 15 mins.
Is Yoric OP? No. He just won lane and because the game is so snowbally that he was able to run away with his lead against a team that didn't have an answer.
Stop trying to antagonize Tristana specifically when any carry you give 4 kills early is gonna snowball really hard.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesTriistana
lmao.
Yordle Xayah3 votesAh yes. The typical Boards user who doesn't care about a structured argument and lives in a bubble and can't grasp the idea that this echo chamber that the Boards are sometimes will present a valid argument that challenges and often defeats their twisted view of the game.
It's because of people like you that I can't take this place seriously anymore.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 voteshe typical Boards user who doesn't care about a structured argument
Where's structured argument ??? U start by a non sens... u compare an adc fed to a random juggernaut.
It's because of people like you that I can't take this place seriously anymore.
not like i care
Yordle Xayah3 votesI rest my case with you [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
