You have overtuned the living shit out of him and now even the worst lee players can easily pop off and just 100-0 everyone that aproaches them. Reduce his damn dmg already shit is getting on my nerves fast. Not to mention the Red Kurgs clear who he can maintain 100% hp without pots after it jsut sets him up for succes everygame
DarkRitual2 votesWhen a champ starts to become that common, I just start banning them. Even if not OP, I just get tired of the same champ every game.
dominusx1 votesjust getting tired off retards feeding him and making him a god even tho he is trash as a player. i respect a good lee but not all these 45% win rate so called lee mains that pop off simply by last hitting kills
xBushx1 votesNot to mention the Red Kurgs clear who he can maintain 100% hp without pots after it jsut sets him up for succes everygame...
This is being taken care of next patch. Also, what you say is mostly true. However, you WILL fall off late game as Lee still especially if you plan on 100 - 0 someone. The bad Lee's will 100 - 0 1 person and die themselves. The good Lee's that build right and peel for carry going 1-2 dmg items then full tank. IMO he is pretty balanced by his squishy-ness.
No bad lee can get ahead the way you say they can.
Ninja Edit: Source - Lee Main
SwordOfWar1 votesDrop that ban hammer on him then ez
ScissorsNstuff1 votesits getting tiresome to see silly picks for lanes that happen to get countered by things like lee sin but the player had no fallback plan in case said silly pick had a silly counter
DoktorKaiser1 votesLee counters everything that walks early game, he can 100-0 even the tankiest of tanks untill 2-3 items but by then competent lee will just snowball the game out of control.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesactually he doesn't. In fact he's countered by things like shyvanna.
You don't need multiple items you just need some defensive ability and some periodic burst. Notice I say burst and not sustained damage since his kit counters sustained and poke to a degree.
The funny part is that lee sin doesn't even counter traditional picks (which is part of why they are traditional I suppose) for most lanes and jungle. Jungle especially.
DoktorKaiser1 votesI am not saying he has no counters at all, I am saying he has 0 counters pre lvl 7-8 and some items, there is not a single champion who can 1v1 a competent lee and not a single jungler who can gank as much and as effectively pre 6, and after 6 his ganks are even more retarded. He just needs to be nerfed early, with semi competent team he can snowball them so hard that late doesnt matter because it never happens.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesShyvanna, who I used as an example, is actually stronger than him earlygame and evens out some as the match goes along.
I'm pretty sure Udyr is the same
Lee is countered by traditional stuff mostly. Plain cookie cutter things. If you go ekko/nidalee jungle or some shit like that he's going to come beat that ass.
He doesn't need to be nerfed early because the compensation will make you regret it. His power curve is actually really good early and really bad late. If he is good all game you are going to hate what he gets to keep him remotely playable.