Everyone's out here worrying about the new mages while me....

EcchiOtakuTM·Apr 28, 2016·15 votes·2,125 views

I'm just wondering how often the new rageblade will be built on vayne after patch. (TBH I wanna try tank vayne after patch personally)

Will water dragon's buff get nerfed(IMO time should be 20/15/10 seconds that's it for now).

Will the red/blue timer reveal actually go through.

Those are my main concerns but what i'm interested in knowing is:

Will mordekaiser have each unique dragon's setup (like air dragon's AS/chasing) and if so will earth dragon ghost deal bonus damage to structures?

Will anivia still have her E-activate R mid-E combo

Will we actually see mage jungles actually be consistently viable

Will Veigar support!

Zac!

Will Singed build mana again!

But in all seriousness what I really want to know is:

How OP will jhin be since he can actually kill pinks without reloading XD

On a side note I am curious about viktor but I can't even fathom those changes tbh.

58 Comments

Jungle Lux GodApr 28, 20166 votes

Vayne has no AP scalings in her kit, and Guinsoo's Rageblade is really expensive. Maybe you'll fool around with it in normals, but you won't find success in ranked.

I think mage junglers could be consistently viable, but I'm not sure if we'd actually see that. A lot of players are hesitant to see new off-meta roles until a pro player does it, and unless the pros are playing mage junglers then I don't think we'd see viability from most of the mages, although the new Malzahar seems to be too good to pass up in the jungle. I'll personally be playing a lot of mage junglers (as I've been doing for a while now), but I'm not sure if most people will.

PsyturkeyApr 28, 20161 votes

I'm not quite so sure about Vayne. Yeah it's expensive but attack speed has always been Vaynes strongest stat and a fully stacked rageblade makes it almost 50% more powerful on Vayne.

I'm not saying it'll see use, you may be right - but I wouldn't right it off completely just yet.

Jungle Lux GodApr 28, 20161 votes

It's too expensive to buy just for the passive for the stats it gives. AP is useless and the fact that it doesn't immediately give Vayne attack speed (without auto attacks) makes it worse. For comparison, most attack speed items for ADCs cost around 1000 less gold while also having statlines that Vayne likes more than Guinsoo's Rageblade. If anything, Guinsoo's Rageblade would be a snowball item on Vayne if she gets fed, but that's hard enough for her to do on live given how weak she is early.

Mysticman89Apr 28, 20165 votes

I feel like spending the same gold on an AS item (which probably also gives crit/move speed) for 'always on' stats is going to be better 99 times out of 100. Vayne gets nothing from the ap part of rageblade (unlike a lot of other adcs who at least have some AP scalings somewhere), and needing to stack it to be effective in a team fight (where you're likely the first priority target) is prone to be a pretty big hindrance.

(The 1 out of 100 occasion might be in some weird case where aoe magic damage provides more net benefit than more AS/lifesteal/crit, but that seems unlikely to ever arise.)

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20162 votes

The new rageblade is devourer's double hit I mean not the current one.

Mysticman89Apr 28, 20162 votes

Ah right, I knew that, I just forgot that it lost the current fully stacked perk too (when I posted I thought it got both the phantom hit and the current aoe thing). Doesn't change the point though, it just makes the 1 in 100 case harder to come up with.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Well we'll see xD I also doubt it'll be a core vayne item but who knows. I also wanna see if kalista will build it too.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 28, 20164 votes

No smart Vayne is going to build Rageblade. Too many wasted stats just to get the phantom hit

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20162 votes

Probably, I just wanna see if there are "smart" vayne or not xD

Jeddy017Apr 28, 20162 votes

Actually I'm wondering how much Galio will be played in order to counter the League of Mages that is coming.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Dam you're actually right, galio is strong as it is currently, when combining him vs his natural counters incoming he might be super godlike :O Although he has to build morell instead of athena so it might not be too insane. Idk we'll see lol.

Jeddy017Apr 28, 20162 votes

Yeah,first people have to remember he exist.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

ikr........ lol

Tentacle LoveApr 28, 20162 votes

Do not let Maokai or Mundo get water dragon. I'm just sayin'. This is a PSA.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Yea that's my main fear any tank/bruiser having water dragon atm.

GentzerApr 29, 20162 votes

I'm just wondering how often the new rageblade will be built on vayne after patch.

Possibly not that often, it's expensive and Vayne makes 0 use of the AP, whereas champs like Trist at least have some AP scaling. It might be a good last item in games where QSS or lifesteal are not needed.

**Will water dragon's buff get nerfed(IMO time should be 20/15/10 seconds that's it for now). **

Atm seems not, prepare for regen city.

**Will the red/blue timer reveal actually go through. **

Seems very likely, I'm not too worried though. It'll be like when Kindred came out and everyone was like "Kindred is gonna be invading so much" when in reality Kindred tends to abuse scuttle marks and doesn't tunnel on jungle marks much beyond that.

Will mordekaiser have each unique dragon's setup (like air dragon's AS/chasing) and if so will earth dragon ghost deal bonus damage to structures?

Unclear right now, but if it's like Champion ghosts I expect so.

Will anivia still have her E-activate R mid-E combo

Yes. R will just be a bit smaller (unless it starts at the current live size in its expansion, I'n not sure)

Will we actually see mage jungles actually be consistently viable

coughMALZAHARcough

**Will Veigar support! **

OH YEAH!!! I'm deffo playing me some Veigar support, he's gonna have some relevant AP with those buffs.

**Will Singed build mana again! **

Absolutely, the passives on Tear and Catalyst are just too good to pass up on Singed.

**How OP will jhin be since he can actually kill pinks without reloading XD **

Will need nerfing, 100% confirmed.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 29, 20161 votes

Rageblade vayne. Yea I figured from the start it wouldn't be top tier but still wanna c it xD

Dragon will use our tears for it's power I guess

Red/Blue reveal I feel will hurt counterjungle playstyle/strategy imo but I'm not as worried about it as I am water dragon/viktor(I'm not a viktor main so idk how I feel about the changes)

Yea morde needs clarity with the changes....

Ty god anivia can still do it, then I welcome the change that small window where you can proc the bonus damage to an unaware enemy was bread and butter to me.

Yea ik about malz jng lol just wanna see if we'll see more like swain/zyra/brand/annie etc. (Although probably not swain due to the q nerf of no bonus vs monsters i'm guessing)

YEA veigar's issue of not being able to farm passive was the only downside! VEIGAR SUPPORT GOOO!!!! lol I dislike damage supports but veigar is an exception with that stun xD

Yea hopefully singed can build mana again now, I think ima just go the new ice toss catalyst item though instead of RoA/that speed boost one that I forgot the name of.

Jhin too stronk xD

Captain AishiApr 29, 20162 votes

from what i read anivia's R starts at about half the size of live and takes 3 seconds to reach live size, but the cast range of it has been increased by 200 range or so what i'm mostly annoyed by is it losing it's 20% attack speed slow...

rageblade on vayne i can see as a potential 4th or 5th item against teams with a fed rammus or malpthite since getting 6%max hp true damage per autoattack makes it worthwhile when they have a thornmail messing with you

EcchiOtakuTMApr 29, 20161 votes

Anivia's just a buff to me I'm not worried about the AS slow lost since I never kept ulti up unless I just couldn't get in range and that would mean they couldn't AA me either. I'm just happy I can still e->cast r mid-e. Anivia's AS slow was more important if you played her as a zone controller and kept ulti on for a long time but now her burst style stayed and you gain bonus damage while playing her zone control-type too so it's an all around win for me.

Must try tank vayne >:D >:D >:D also maybe tank kalista :O

Captain AishiApr 29, 20161 votes

I always played anivia as pure zone control, my ult stays up in the same spot for about 5 seconds in most lategame fights because I put it in the right place the first time around :P

and they're lowering anivia's AP ratio on Q by 20% so she can't even burst that well anymore

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

Her q wasn't her burst whatcha mean? it was just her double hitting stun the damage wasn't important tbh, her damage was from e->r harass then Q if you needed to cc someone but it wasn't her damage tool. :o Not to mention using Q for damage means you don't have it for peeling someone off you too especially when someone tries to retaliate vs your e->r combo.

Captain AishiApr 30, 20161 votes

her Q has always been her highest damage ability, and 100% essential to her bursting people down quickly... i don't understand how you can look past a 360 base damage and 100% AP scaling ability like that and say it's not important lol

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

I feel it isn't lol, you just use it when you gotta secure a pick for your 2nd/3rd e or to counterattack an engage xD

Guess it's just a difference in playstyle so while it's a nerf to some it won't affect others xD

Athenes LuluApr 28, 20161 votes

I'm more worried about having to rush item 3174 after item 3092 because of the mana regen nerfs. Every single game.

Goodbye decisive builds, hello stale builds every game.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

I don't see any need to rush it, you still have meditate as a support with corrupt flask, I don't see any issues of it limiting builds for utility supports.

AbyssphereApr 28, 20161 votes

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I'm more worried about having to rush after because of the mana regen nerfs. Every single game.

Goodbye decisive builds, hello stale builds every game.

If you really need the extra mana regen then just buy Eye of the Watchers instead of FQC.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Yea now that people finnally realize fqc isn't as good after the nerfs and vision+the extra item slot is important I'm glad watchers is seeing more play.

It's just a shame the last eye item sucks because the passive is garbage, the damage supp item adds good damage to your abilities, AAs and generates gold even on towers, the tank one sustains well, but the last one, such little PERSONAL hp recovery when you're already a support is awful.

SpoofghoulApr 28, 20161 votes

yea same

im a bit worried about protobelt

and i think riot should give botrk & bloodrazor a named passive so they can't be stacked inb4 mad Kindred & Vayne main downvotes

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

oh wow I just thought about that, yea they should be the same name passive imo too.

And what's protobelt again? Is it that no range dash thingy? It'll be average, well used but nothing to brag home about imo a well designed item as it should be.

SpoofghoulApr 28, 20161 votes

Yea but even a small dash is a dash.

Im worried having to build it all the time just to catch up to other players building it. Im a bit worried its going to end up like flash

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Meh it's still pretty average to me, perfect addition as a utility and fun item but would rather get a different item in most cases except some tanks and supports, aside from them everyone else will just be the same.

In terms of catching someone who has it too you act vs it as you would vs any mobility champ and use cc most of the time so that isn't an issue. If it was a larger range dash like flash range I would be against it but it's nothing as it should be.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 28, 20161 votes

Btw I would love to see if Aatrox, Ashe, Azir, Caitlyn, Diana, Fizz, Jax, Jinx, Kalista, Kayle, Kennen, Kindred, Kog, Lucian, Yi, Noc, Shyv, Skarner, TF, Udyr, Vayne, Vi, WW, and Xin will use the new rageblade, not so much if it's op or not but can it function in their kit more so.

LankPantsApr 29, 20161 votes

Rageblade will 100% be core and broken on Kog'maw. This is why Kog is a terrible design, he limits the on-hit space to a greater extent than even WW.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 29, 20161 votes

Well he will most likely get nerfed so i'm not even worried about it.

thumbnail9Apr 29, 20161 votes

Rage blade Vayne is not going to happen and be a top viable pick. Now Kog'maw on the other hand is going to be scary as fck.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 29, 20161 votes

Yea probably it's just gonna be a fun off-meta build.....or we see tank vayne becoming a monster :O

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

Mordekaiser 30k hp elder dragon, the terror of bot lane strikes again.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 29, 20161 votes

xD I just want riot to clarify on if they'll make earth dragon do bonus damage to monsters and objectives tho.

NekusenApr 29, 20161 votes

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Will Singed build mana again!

This i can answer, and the answer is - NO Not only he lacks synergy with the new mana items, but the only mana item he circumstantially built ( item 3027 ) is worse on him, not only because it gives: 20 less AP 400 less mana 100 less HP (to Singed )

but primarily because item 3010 's passive is worse during lane considering it will not longer give 150 health and 200 mana when gaining a level, and the damage/mana consumed to reach those numbers are way to high to reach them between level ups.

Also, lower total AP, will make http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/71/Deathfire_Touch_mastery_2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20151103094525 even worse , so either thunderlords of grasp for him.

So, not only he won't build more mana, but it's even possible he will build even LESS mana.

As a side problem for him, the removal of Distortion boots will hit him in the guts.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

Nah I think singed will def build the new ice item synergy too good to pass up.

I would never built RoA on a tank after the new ice item comes tho o.o especially since CDR is invaluable for most tanks and it has the new catalyst passive so you can get it as a 3rd/4th item not to mention the active is really good for chasing.

Noone but brand, jhin, cassi, and karthus should use DFT, especially a tank, in the first place o.o.

He never built mana in the first place so it's impossible for him to be building less, just 1 mana item (especially the new ice one) is enough too.

Distortion removal will hurt every ghost user sadly, hopefully they buff ghost at least to its distortion value but make the speed scaling per level.

NekusenApr 30, 20161 votes

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Nah I think singed will def build the new ice item synergy too good to pass up.

What synergy with Hextech GLP-800? Built from items bad on him (Recipe: Catalyst of Aeons + Hextech Revolver) Worst stats than ROA (300 Health, 80 Ability Power and 400 Mana)

(Active ---> Slow) His W is already the slow he needs

I would never built RoA on a tank after the new ice item comes tho o.o especially since CDR is invaluable for most tanks and it has the new catalyst passive so you can get it as a 3rd/4th item not to mention the active is really good for chasing.

Hextech GLP-800 doesn't grant CDR.

There just are better items for him to build and mana items are still bad on Singed

Noone but brand, jhin, cassi, and karthus should use DFT, especially a tank, in the first place o.o.

Not even them utilize DFT well (except Jhin, but only because the other masteries are even worse on him)

He never built mana in the first place so it's impossible for him to be building less, just 1 mana item (especially the new ice one) is enough too.

item 3027 was circumstantially used on him, not always, but occasionally as it's the only mana item that wasn't so bad on him, after the changes, not even that one.

Distortion removal will hurt every ghost user sadly

yeah, but as Singed, if you are not moving, you are not doing anything, because you not only have to run as fast as people, to do damage you need to leave people behind you.

hopefully they buff ghost at least to its distortion value but make the speed scaling per level.

hopefully, or give Singed scaling tenacity with mana or something.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

Ah doesn't give cdr, insta-drop then guess no mana build for singed just going to continue being top tier sadly. Honestly I wonder where I seen cdr on it.... Although with that movement one getting buffed(that catalyst item with the teamwide movement buff) it might be built more on singed but meh I wanted to have fun with the new ice item.

Brand, Cassi, and karthus use DFT much better than TLD since they keep it ticking on entire enemy teams for longer than 8+ seconds consistently especially brand.

I'd rather them just buff ghost for now then we'll see what they do with singed during the tank patch (Predicting singed, Zac, Sejuani, Sion, Malphite, and Rammus for the tank patch, maybe voli and amumu too)

NekusenApr 30, 20162 votes

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Ah doesn't give cdr, insta-drop then guess no mana build for singed just going to continue being top tier sadly. Honestly I wonder where I seen cdr on it....

Well, Singed really doesn't need CDR, so having it isn't really a selling point for him, his main source of damage, which is Q is toggable and his ult will be up every time you need it.

Although with that movement one getting buffed(that catalyst item with the teamwide movement buff) it might be built more on singed but meh I wanted to have fun with the new ice item.

You mean the rocket-belt (Hextec Protobelt) Grants 300 Health, 80 Ability Power and 10% Cooldown Reduction

Yeah, i wouldn't build that on singed either, the stats are crap on him and a 300 dash that then roots you does little for him., a waste of an item slot and gold for Singed.

I'd rather them just buff ghost for now then we'll see what they do with singed during the tank patch (Predicting singed, Zac, Sejuani, Sion, Malphite, and Rammus for the tank patch, maybe voli and amumu too)

Singed will probably be a "low-scope", since i heard a while ago they are kinda content with how he is used in general, but could tweak some stuff. Rammus seems kinda outdates. Sion, oh god, how many times do they need to rework this guy ? lol Malphite, i hope he gets major changes, he is super frustrating to play against. he is supposed to depend on teams with his initiation thing but can also wreak when alone, his burst is insane for a tank.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

Not a new item I mean the MS boost for the entire team that catalyst item is getting buffed.

As for the reworks imo:

Sion just needs his passive tweaked a bit and his HP farming more effective kinda like veigar's was,

Malphite/rammus/voli idk but it'll probably be some major change.

amumu/sej just need passive updates

Zac is getting a passive update next patch although still feel like his blobs while alive should slowly move towards him and doubled during ulti that's it.

I had a singed rework idea to keep his gameplay style with a slight change in strength.

They don't have to really do anything major for all of them but I feel those tanks will probably be looked at. Extra points if I'm right, and even if I'm wrong I'll just wait to see what's done xD

NekusenApr 30, 20161 votes

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Not a new item I mean the MS boost for the entire team that catalyst item is getting buffed.

What MS boost for the entire team?

As for the reworks imo: Malphite/rammus/voli idk but it'll probably be some major change.

hopefully

I had a singed rework idea to keep his gameplay style with a slight change in strength.

out of curiosity, may i see it?

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

I found the item name lool righteous glory, not hard to find but for the life of me I wasn't looking and was trying to just remember the name.

and as for singed http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/kOzXJ4pW-singed-shaken-not-stirred

I have to update it a bit though cause I havn't been looking at singed much lately.

agbudarApr 30, 20161 votes

he will definitely build the new Rod of ages. simply because of the passive.

also don't forget its 500 gold cheaper which means that its a good rush item (which it already was.)

NekusenApr 30, 20161 votes

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he will definitely build the new Rod of ages. simply because of the passive.

i did the math, current item 3010 gives more stats with its regen per level.

also don't forget its 500 gold cheaper which means that its a good rush item (which it already was.)

it also builds from item 1058 , which is less smooth to buy and grants 20 less ap 400 less mana 100 less hp to singed.

The problem with Singed is that he really doesn't need that much mana, you can even ply the whole game without building any mana on him if you manage correctly. And thats the other issue, the new item 3010 requires you to use a lot of mana.

Miku Lv99Apr 29, 20161 votes

I think Vayne with Rageblade would be less powerful than sated devourer Vayne is now, which isn't even used much. 3600 for that new Rageblade is so expensive, idk if anyone will build it.

EcchiOtakuTMApr 30, 20161 votes

I think they made it that expensive so they can lower the price in the future after seeing it live however the new build path might make it justifiable imo.

And I do doubt rageblade will be a top tier vayne item, i just wanna see it though lol