The Truth Behind Off-Meta Supports ...

CarameI Frappe··4 votes·1,290 views

Ever since that topic came up about the Singed Support going with summoner 11 and getting banned for grieving his team- a lot of people I have come to play with (even some friends) are hesitant about any champions going into the support role whom aren't considered supports. A few good examples are Trundle TahmKench Galio Sion and so on. But ever since that 'incident', people immediately assume i'm going to troll or feed when I go Poppy Support. I tell them as to why I do so, and promise them that I am not going to do anything outside of my job (stealing kills, leaving my ADC in the first 5 minutes, screwing around, ect.) but people don't believe me. Truth be told, I can't blame them for their concern because off-meta picks tend to lack the kits in helping the team with set up kills / surviving / securing objectives with champions such as Braum Morgana Nami Soraka Sona Leona Thresh , ect.

While this is true, do know there are players like myself who take their role seriously and play wisely. If you need proof, feel free to look at my match history.

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There's also the fact people may also have this fear of Off-Meta Supports because certain people want to play their champion so badly, they'll bring them into Support (A good example is Yasuo players will sometimes do this because they want to carry despite being a Support). I get it, I truly do ... it sucks when someone picks a champion not meant for Support and then they ruin your game by doing things outside what a Support should do. But that's the thing- It's how they play that champion, not the champion itself being chosen.

It's like when someone goes Lux Support and instead of building support items ( item 2301 item 3190 ) they go full AP ( item 3089 item 3165 item 3041 ) and play like they're a Mid Laner / Carry. Hell a Alistar can do the same and go full AP with no items in benefiting the team just to achieve kills. Even if they build a item 2049, it's how they play that influences the game overall. I don't go Poppy because I didn't get Top / Jungle, rather I pick her because her kit + tankiness is really good in protecting the carry along with the fact I know how to play her in the Support role. If a LeeSin comes to gank us, I just W as he's diving towards my ADC. If my ADC is about to die, I use R to send the enemy team flying back to base. Her E is useful in securing a kill, and I certainly make sure to get items like item 3401 item 3512 item 3107 so it helps my team get out of team fights in the later stages of the game.

  • Too Long; Didn't Read: It's not the champion that you pick, it's how / what you plan on doing with that champion that matters. When in Worlds we saw a MissFortune Support, it wasn't because he wanted to carry the team or play his way. It was a direct counter to Zyra and it worked. He played accordingly on what will help the team, without the result of grieving them. I even believe a Singed Support can work WITHIN REASON and not having to leave your ADC by themselves all game. Off-Meta champions can work wonders but it has to be done in a logical manner and within reason. I continue to see people assuming the worst when people pick odd Support champions, and I am aware of troll picks / people's intention on playing the champion they want despite the likely outcome ... but there are people like me who truly value their role and want to provide the best outcome for their team even if it may seem unlikely at first. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope it does something for the community to think back on.

19 Comments

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Regarding the whole Singed Support debacle, the issue wasn't that he was playing an off-meta support.

The issue was that he queued as support and played as a jungler, leaving his laner alone in a 2v1 lane and taking farm from his jungler and laners.

If you are actually supporting, you are fine with pretty much any champion. I've had Katarina and Talon supporting me in the past without issue since they actually filled the role properly.

EvilUnicornLord2 votes

I used to play Singed support because the flip is OP, he's nearly immune to CC from how much tenacity he has, everyone will focus him instead of the ADC, and retreat back to tower is as simple as pressing Q.

But then it got a bad name...

Awesomedude88881 votes

Came here to upvote this. It needs to be stressed that Singed as a champ can be a very good support if played correctly. Taking smite and going counterjungling while leaving your ADC 1v2 is NOT playing Singed support correctly.

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

Yeah, the only time I get to play him support anymore is ARAM.

FourVsFive2 votes

reason why singed got banned was cause he was not in his lane, leaving bot to defend 2v1. Also lot of champs can work as a support, all that matters is that there are 2 people bot, and not 1v2.

midnight oil242 votes

While I agree with you and love this post, you said that tahm isn't a support. That is not true. One of his classes is controller and his recommended build is a support build. Other than that one thing, I found your post to be an excellent read, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

CarameI Frappe2 votes

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While I agree with you and love this post, you said that tahm isn't a support. That is not true. One of his classes is controller and his recommended build is a support build. Other than that one thing, I found your post to be an excellent read, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Apologies, I didn't realize this heh. I just assumed because TahmKench is usually played top, but you're right. All I had to do was dig up some research and your source was there. Also thank you for the compliment, I just want people to not be afraid of picking off-meta champions for the Support role so long as they justify their reason and play the role.

midnight oil241 votes

Yeah, I understand you're concern. Though I've actually only played tahm support, so I didn't know he wasn't considered meta.

AttackOnTeemos1 votes

Last I recall he didn't get a perma banned from it and honestly I think Riot was in the wrong cause many people called out some factors even me.

I've Trundle Support before and carry ignite. I get my sustain from the death of the minions my adc kill so I can soak damage all day. There is no REAL definition as what makes a support. Ask anyone, the most people would say is a Support is someone who

1)Peels 2)Heals 3)Wards 4)Harass

The fact was looking over his stats he was above 50% on his wins, Most people who play supports now can hardly get in the 40% range. All he did was turn his focus AGAINST tilting the junglar.

What made him more clear was he even TOLD his teammates what he was doing BEFORE going into game during champion selection. If you watched the videos some even don't even mind it however you will get ONE game that's bad and the team would point the finger at someone who follows a unique meta.

People can't be made at him when people play champions in other lanes that weren't considered meta as well. Example Lulu going mid and top, Graves Jungle, Leona top, Urgot and Varus Mid.

(THE OLD BLUE BUILD Ezreal with the true damage lizard item back in the day a jungle item)

I PERSONALLY believe a Support is someone who builds a SightStone it's that simple. I don't care who supports me as long as they ward and it works....A Win is a Win.

CarameI Frappe1 votes

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Last I recall he didn't get a perma banned from it and honestly I think Riot was in the wrong cause many people called out some factors even me.

I've Trundle Support before and carry ignite. I get my sustain from the death of the minions my adc kill so I can soak damage all day. There is no REAL definition as what makes a support. Ask anyone, the most people would say is a Support is someone who

1)Peels 2)Heals 3)Wards 4)Harass

The fact was looking over his stats he was above 50% on his wins, Most people who play supports now can hardly get in the 40% range. All he did was turn his focus AGAINST tilting the junglar.

What made him more clear was he even TOLD his teammates what he was doing BEFORE going into game during champion selection. If you watched the videos some even don't even mind it however you will get ONE game that's bad and the team would point the finger at someone who follows a unique meta.

People can't be made at him when people play champions in other lanes that weren't considered meta as well. Example Lulu going mid and top, Graves Jungle, Leona top, Urgot and Varus Mid.

(THE OLD BLUE BUILD Ezreal with the true damage lizard item back in the day a jungle item)

I PERSONALLY believe a Support is someone who builds a SightStone it's that simple. I don't care who supports me as long as they ward and it works....A Win is a Win.

Just want to point out you pick Trundle Support but have reasons in doing so. While the topic about the Singed Support is still a heated debate, I want to thank you for personally getting across as to what I was getting at in my OP :).

As long as you have a valid reason in picking your champion for Support and know how to play them in that role without grieving your allies / playing outside the Support role where it's hurting your teammates, then I say it's perfectly ok!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Sona Ping2 votes

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Short answer: "Meta" and champion choice have nothing to do with it. He queued as support (where you get shorter queue times) but bought talisman and jungled instead. Spending 90% of the time clearing camps and only going to lane when you have Ghost up or to take farm when the laner is dead is not supporting, that is jungling. Typing a paragraph where you go "No, no, this is 'Support Singed'. I'm not jungling, this is a strategy " does not change the fact that is jungling.

With all the "mid or feed" players or guys announcing that they will be playing Top and autolocking even though they got ADC, taking another player's assigned role is a bannable offense so he got a two-week ban for it. And that's not even getting into all the BS things he did that griefers do, like smiting buffs away from his team's jungler.

Your impression is wrong. He did not "wholeheartedly support the ADC", he barely went to lane and falsely reports his teammates for intentional feeding.


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  • He made it to plat by playing mostly singed top and moved to support for shorter queue times (it should be noted that he has like a...44% (?) win rate with singed support and quickly got demoted back to gold due to playing singed support)
AttackOnTeemos1 votes

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*Never grouping- Can't blame the pick for that that happens to everyone *Never buying sightstone: Supports in general that are ap mages never do as well >_> *stealing camps from junglar. (I'll give you that one only if it wasn't a fast clear junglar.) *ruined the exp of the game( They all had the option to say yes or no to the issue. Even dodge, once you go in game you approved of his doing.)

Sona Ping3 votes

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*Never grouping- Can't blame the pick for that that happens to everyone *Never buying sightstone: Supports in general that are ap mages never do as well >_> *stealing camps from junglar. (I'll give you that one only if it wasn't a fast clear junglar.) *ruined the exp of the game( They all had the option to say yes or no to the issue. Even dodge, once you go in game you approved of his doing.)

Okay, some AP supports don't buy sighstone too. So what? That does not change the fundamental issue which you are ignoring with your response. Instead you only refered to select bits from the quote that addressed your false claim that we was performing remarkably well. I'll break form and trim it for you.

It doesn't matter what he queued as. It doesn't matter if he queued mid or bot but picked Fiora and went top, or any other combination.

He queued as one position, but he took someone else's position that he wanted.

That is explicitly against the rules and that is why he was banned.

AttackOnTeemos1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PEQHEEin,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-30T22:08:00.342+0000)

Okay, some AP supports don't buy sighstone too. So what? That does not change the fundamental issue which you are ignoring with your response. It doesn't matter what he queued as. It doesn't matter if he queued mid or bot but picked Fiora and went top, or any other combination.

He queued as one position, but he took someone else's position that he wanted.

That is explicitly against the rules and that is why he was banned.

He got banned for leaving his lane and using smite as a support singed. Plane and simple, What Riot did was made a CUT and dry underwriting rule.

I mean I could go in a game right now and say I'm supporting my junglar. Would that still not make a me a support? Or just the support that wouldn't be recommended. o.o I mean I GET what you are saying however there is that GREY area what and what doesn't make a support.

Like me as a support, I'll take a kill from my adc simply because I dont want that kill to get away. I don't treat this game like an FPS.

Fiasco31 votes

I played 3 poppy support games yesterday and not once did anyone accuse me of trying to troll.

CarameI Frappe1 votes

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I played 3 poppy support games yesterday and not once did anyone accuse me of trying to troll.

I'm happy to hear that! I'd say out of my 20 games with her recently, 8-9 of them had people questioning me about my choice. I even had an ADC type in all chat at the start of the game "Guys we have a Poppy Support. Go easy on us!" Even if he was teasing, he wasn't thrilled about my choice at the champ select so it's hard to say.

Hope you continue playing her to your heart's content, she is a wonderful champion for Support if played right :)

Fiasco32 votes

Ya I'm not looking to main the support role, but I do like to change it up every now and then. Play each position a few times each week. I'm liking the Poppy support so that's what I'm going to stick with when I get put as support.

I'd play fill a lot more if it didn't put me at the support role 90% of the time, but oh well.

Poppy is a great supp. She does really well protecting her adc's from gap closers like Lee Sin or Alistar etc. Then her ult is obviously great for peel as well. Really disappointed to hear that people think you're trolling with that pick.

Stephenizgod1 votes

When I go Support Yorick, or any off meta-pick like Top Morgana, sometimes people will question me, but I always try to explain why it can work or how it should work (because it doesn't always). Sure if I lose they will blame me for not picking "meta" champions, but majority of the time people adapt their playstyle to accommodate this different pick.

Basically I haven't seen anyone actually flaming others for picking off-meta picks, mostly because the people who do pick them tend to explain themselves beforehand.

Friendly Ram1 votes

poppy and ori are my fav off meta supports.

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