I remember just not long ago some ADCs would go top lane to abuse Bruisers and autowin the lane

Top 5?

Last i checked the overall top 5 of botlane on OP.Gg were Lucian, mordekaiser, Ezreal, vlad and MF.

Winrate wise its kayle,MF,morde,cassio and wukong

Playrate its Ezreal, lucian, kaisa, vlad and mordekaiser.

Fact is, standard marksmen like Ashe,kog,varus, cait and jinx are basically garbage, they cant contest the toptier so they just get stomped into oblivion with little chance of ever contributing on their own.......aside from Ashe who can at least help her team initiate even if she gets stomped in lane.

That is what the traditional marksmen are mad about, the "LcsBigPlays" team on Lucian, ez, kai sa are still happy......which is 3 champs.

Well them and MF but its questionable to even call her a marksman as she is much closer to some AD caster due to her playstyle around the ult&Q....she even builds lethality.

And how exactly do you define that toplane is shit? Conqueror has made a world of difference and the only ones currently suffering like hell should be tanks, they along with the traditional marksmen are basically accused of trolling by trying to play their champs in the current state of things, them and no others.

Morally questionable man, i ask that you take your bias out and throw it away <.<'

You mean the shape of the lane or location?

.....I do agree actually, on the shape.

Many junglers have the ability to gank botlane even through the much higher ward density there, not to speak of toplane where there is only a single laner who wont obtain a sightstone at all.

Makes the jungler that much more threatening there, which is probably unfair all things considered.

Midlane has more entryways but lane is shorter and the chaps tend to have mobility or range so they get away more.

Botlane has 2 people that when working together can ward out a lot.

Jungle moves around a lot so with some care they wont be sneak attacked.

Only toplane is fully visible and exposed, to win the lane you basically have to play not aggressively but still somehow kill your opponent.

And to make use of any lead you might get you´ll have to be just as paranoid about spamganks until you get strong enough to 1v2 if enemy jungle isnt ahead.

If enemy jungle is ahead then you have to wait for them to gank botlane before you can even try to go aggro.

Its pretty stifling, to the me who likes playing aggressively that felt bad so i moved back to my mages midlane, even if i go aggressively i wont be caught out too often with a bit of careful ward management.......as long as it isnt something like heca/rammus etc that you basically cant escape from x)

I soo dont feel like writing constructive counter argument to a heap of bullshit... Goddamn it... Its so difficult with people that just cant get hints... And even after i explain it to you you will say some dumb shit and deny it. Cuz... Just because. No reason. "kai sa has no range" "Draven was never played meh meh"

The fuck exactly are you even trying to deny? That ADCs were successfully played top vs melee champions and some other unlucky bastards?

Vayne has 46% winrate and 0,8% pickrate on OP.GG right now. 0,6% pickrate and 48% winrate on league of graphs. Teemo is shit with those stats? What is Vayne then? Nuclear fallout waste?

I brought up teemo because even though he seems to have okay stats he is one step away from steaming pile of shit. Vayne and all other ADC that can go top have low winrate there not because they cannot be played vs orthodox top laners but because they bring nothing really beneficial to their team yet take a lot of resources. They aint any less mobile than many other top laners and many of them have some kind of CC. And those ADC get to play on top.

Draven - speed up + hard CC and damage without single item. Vayne - CC + tumble + damage with 1 AS item. Graves - damage + dumbest passive + one of the most annoying blinds in the game. + dash. Quinn - blind + CC + jump back+ she is fast AF with her ult so she actually has presence on the map. Kaisa - ranged poke. dumb passive. burst. annoying speed up that actually feels more like actual dash + annoying ult that if used well can serve as escape mechanism.

Do you see a pattern here?

They bring DPS yet require lot of care in the late game. All while taking up slot that could be occupied by someone useful. CC bot or initiator for example. That can set up fights where other AA bots and DPS masters can shine.

Thats the same problem as with teemo. After he survives lane phase what can he bring to his team? NOTHING. Almost like any other ADC. But he can at least be useful with his shrooms. So he brings vision + control with them. So he aint complete 0 even if no one on his team will care about his existence. Thats why he sits at 50% winrate. Many ADCs can destroy lot of top laners alone.

Its not about environment. Its about - what after that?

Actually Kai'Sa will be better against Gnar, he struggles against ranged champs (well, currently he struggles against anything).