lol maybe we should give Gragas his 3 base armor back

waiting for WoW·Sep 16, 2017·8 votes·462 views

It's safe to say the bodyslam hitbox was the real cheese. His win rate dropped pretty significantly.

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DragonSheaSep 16, 201710 votes

Let the Gragas butthurt die down for a while before he should get it back.

Troy242621Sep 16, 20173 votes

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Let the Gragas butthurt die down for a while before he should get it back.

The armor reduction really was superfluous. People are just going to stop using Gragas now.

DragonSheaSep 16, 20172 votes

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The armor reduction really was superfluous. People are just going to stop using Gragas now.

True, he got fixed, now instead people are gonna bitch about his armor being too low.

Commader KiwiSep 16, 20173 votes

His Hit box was broken, he would completely miss the target and they still got hit. And I dont think 3 armor significanly affects someone's winrate. It just means you gotta be more skilled and get good enough to land a skillshot how it was meant to be played

SteelflameSep 16, 20172 votes

His hitbox was broken, but he has been balanced around that hitbox for a long time.
3 armor is massive on a jungler. That is a ton of extra damage in a clear.
Not sure how armor relates to a skillshot. And his E hitbox was very generous, yes, but it has lost 33% of it's total AoE size. That generosity is long gone now. I'm sure some of his winrate will come back up once people get used to the new hitbox, but he will need some form of buff to negate how much he lost.

Commader KiwiSep 17, 20171 votes

1 . NO. he would miss the target, but still hit. so it was never balanced until the patch 2. 3 armor, if its a big deal take it in your runes. 3 armor doesnt relate to skill shots , if you read with your eyes, you would see, 3 armor doesnt affect someones winrate.'' and you gotta be more skilled so you wont be able to dive enemies even though you 1st time gragas, and hit a skillshot "e" rather than playing like a chimp and hitting e.

SteelflameSep 17, 20171 votes

A champion can be balanced around a bullshit hitbox. Feeling unfair doesn't mean unbalanced. Just look at Morg snare or Blitz/Naut/Thresh hooks.
If you have to take extra armor in runes, you have to take less damage in your runes. By taking less damage in your rune page, you take longer to kill camps, meaning you take more damage anyway. Base stat nerfs ALWAYS hurt the jungler, unless it is MR, the only stat that has no impact on a jungler's jungle phase. Base stat nerfs hurt junglers more than any other class, flat out, because they have to make full use of these stats all the time. Other lanes only have to actively worry about base stats in relation to combat with champions, or maybe base ad/as for last hitting troubles.