Ivern is unequivocally broken, absolutely busted, and needs a nerf to his CDs/shields

awdaf·Mar 11, 2017·22 votes·2,628 views

He has actually become, 100% ban for me if I am ever one of the three that gets to ban.

He provides wayyyyyyyyyy to much utility, while dominating the jungle

He is literally a walking shield/stun bot, and with the extra 5% CDR from masteries, at 45% CDR, it's just way too much.

I literally have to kill each person 2.2 times over on the enemy team if they have an Ivern, just from the shields/heals.

Please Riot, he has had a consistent win rate above normal. This is not a healthy champion by any means.

26 Comments

Gregor GysiMar 11, 20179 votes

Ivern has a 57% winrate in Dia+. This is nearly Weedwick level and the boards are not on full QQ mode, what the hell?

SaltyKrackaMar 11, 20171 votes

Too busy dealing with whiny Aatrox "mains".

Anyways, by this same token they should also nerf Shaco, Anivia, Quinn, Graves and Ahri.

BluePolarizerMar 11, 20171 votes

I ban Shaco or Ivern every game. I don't ban anyone else, not even Graves which is the next most broken jungler. You simply can't deal with a good Shaco or Ivern, they don't play like other junglers. I'd rather play against 5 Lee Sins or Rengars than 1 Shaco.

ForgiveColourMar 11, 20176 votes

Because ivern probably takes a bit of skill and need some game knowledge to play well

Gregor GysiMar 11, 20174 votes

Those with 10 games on Ivern have a winrate slightly below 60%.. I mean sure, it may get to the point where skill and knowledge is necessary to play Ivern, but as it is right now Ivern is simply OP and the closest to free elo we've had for a long time.

ForgiveColourMar 11, 20172 votes

Im not defending ivern for being broken im just saying that the bronze of this board cant play him well so they think hes balanced

MadManApocalypseMar 11, 20175 votes

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Im not defending ivern for being broken im just saying that the bronze of this board cant play him well so they think hes balanced

Of course ivern is balanced! He's an anagram of Riven! #MuchBalance

GULAG 4 UMar 11, 20172 votes

Ivern doesn't have mobility. That's why.

Xela SyabMar 11, 20174 votes

If you land his snare he does, along with any juggernaut on his team...

GULAG 4 UMar 11, 20172 votes

Well not that accessible. The boards hate whatever high mobility, high risk/reward champ. And anything flashy or isn't dull like garen.

MadManApocalypseMar 11, 20174 votes

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Well not that accessible. The boards hate whatever high mobility, high risk/reward champ. And anything flashy or isn't dull like garen.

Okay the "High Risk/High Reward" the forums complain about aren't even "High Risk"... they're just "High Reward"

GULAG 4 UMar 12, 20171 votes

I don't know what to tell you if you think yasuo and graves are safe champions.

JJI744Mar 11, 20171 votes

2 reasons./ First, most of the people on the boards are in bronze/silver, where Ivern is less effective and not often played. Second, some popular high-Elo streamers have been saying how they don't think Ivern is good because you can't really carry on him>sheep effect.

Papa AndreiMar 11, 20172 votes

"Omg riot please remive supports from the my gamez i dont like earning my win"

The only difference between him and Raka, Sona, Janna crew is that he can get 45% easiky being a jungler

ShaolinToiletMar 11, 20173 votes

Yes let's ignore all stats

Papa AndreiMar 11, 20171 votes

Yes stats from sites that say the best builds for champions involve buying two rageblades botrk and thornmail.

you people do not understand that those champioms are good because they have utility and nothing else. As such they will always be useful

ShaolinToiletMar 11, 20173 votes

Yup cause everyone regards champion GG as a reliable stat source. Come on do some research before you cry

Papa AndreiMar 11, 20171 votes

Op.gg and lolskill both do the exact same thing. Neither are reliable.

ShaolinToiletMar 11, 20172 votes

Riots the only one who gets to say that and they claim op GG is reliable

AhristocatsMar 11, 20172 votes

they should revert some nerfs they did to his E while increasing his E cd BY A LOT because a spell: shielding+doing aoe damage+slowing should not have 8 sec base cooldown

also increase the cd of his Q

SH AzykanMar 11, 20171 votes

no idea why this was downvoted. seriously make the shield more impactful but not have 90% uptime and it would help so much... and I dont think q's cd needs to be raised, but its snare should be shorter and just put a mark on a champ that lets you dash into AA range slightly longer than the snares duration (just 1 time per q mark ofc)

SaltyKrackaMar 12, 20172 votes

Honestly, what they need to do is kill the shit out of his counterjungling.

StandgroundingMar 12, 20172 votes

He's weak. Take anything like LeeSin Rengar Shyvana Jax XinZhao Khazix MasterYi Hecarim JarvanIV Shaco and they will wreck your face before you could ever start counterjungling them. They win every 1v1 and fk ur jungle up hard and u cant escape them. Playing Ivern is impossible vs these.

sobi999Mar 11, 20171 votes

His playrate should also be high otherwise the results might be skewed. Although i much rather prefer ivern than lee sin. The damage creep is way too high.

ArakadiaMar 11, 20171 votes

Two things. First, CDR is way too free which is good for Ivern. Second, he doesn't have a stun except for Daisy's conditional knockup thing.

Xela SyabMar 11, 20171 votes

I think the biggest issue with Ivern is that he has pretty good control of his camps, pretty much a no go zone for taking buffs.